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New command bonus system

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Cabablanka
Merkez
#1 - 2016-08-29 15:59:53 UTC
Bonus to enemy ?
- Bonus ?
Only close range Bonus?
WTF

Are you realy out of your mind ?

If you going to do this i will uninstall eve and never ever play it again.
Serene Repose
#2 - 2016-08-29 16:04:25 UTC
May I be the first to ask, "Can I haz your stuff....IF this is implemented (which I'm pretty sure is a done deal)?"

We must accommodate the idiocracy.

Solecist Project
#3 - 2016-08-29 16:11:42 UTC
Cabablanka wrote:
Bonus to enemy ?
- Bonus ?
Only close range Bonus?
WTF

Are you realy out of your mind ?

If you going to do this i will uninstall eve and never ever play it again.

Why would an npc alt care?

Post with your main.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

Daemun Khanid
Corbeau de sang
#4 - 2016-08-29 16:12:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Daemun Khanid
Cabablanka wrote:
Bonus to enemy ?
- Bonus ?
Only close range Bonus?
WTF

Are you realy out of your mind ?

If you going to do this i will uninstall eve and never ever play it again.


1.No, thats just the Titan effects
2.Pls restate the question (I assume you mean the negative effect bonuses, this too only refers to the new titan effects)
3.You have to be in range to get the bonus then go wherever you want (till the bonus runs out)
4.It's not like we haven't know this was coming for some time now. They went public months ago with the AOE boost plan.

My question is, with all the changes to training time requirements on boosting ships and to all of the leadership skills are we gonna be getting sp refunded so we can spend the points accordingly or are we just gonna be screwed if we already trained into these things? Just go ahead and refund all the leadership skill sp and compensate for changes to boosting ship training (particularly command ships, if training those is gonna be much faster/less sp I'm gonna be annoyed if it was all wasted time) and you can do whatever you want to links/boosts. I don't mind adapting, I do mind wasting my training time/sp.

Daemun of Khanid

Vyl Vit
#5 - 2016-08-29 16:18:14 UTC
Hi. Hi. Good to be back. Right. Right. *nods to Serene*

So, the mystery is solved. This is what I do in EVE - I be a commander guy. Got all the skills needed under the present build maxed, and I don't mind saying it took me a good long while to do. Got the implants...ships...mods....the whole sheebang. So, this upcoming change was a shock-thrill (c'mon. there's such a thing!) Naturally, what you've chosen to specialize is going to be the holy cow you wish to remain untouched. But, I have to say the changes are intriguing.

I'm accustomed to seeing myself as bringing my command skills along with me. All the training it took, implants, etc., it was as if your presence brought the increase to your fellow pilots - much like a really good coach would. It's not the equipment in this case. It's me! *gloat gloat*. Of course I'm kidding myself, but what a fantasy, no? Though, I have to say one or two things about it bothered me.

The main one was the off grid boosting. I like to see myself as a superman, but to exert influence across such space that one had to warp around to get to the borders seemed a bit much. One of the keys to efficient command is "span of control" and has to do with your reach - literally. Having no limit to my reach (in system) did seem a bit on the Superman side. Though I know the immediate limitation this particular change will instantly impose, I can see the sense in it and grudgingly concede it's the right thing to do.

Making the ship the instrument of command, rather than my mighty, learned, well-trained charismatic self...that's going to be a bit harder to take. Though, I see the sense in this as well - for the same Superman reasons. I think the vulnerability, risk/reward factor is significant with this. Being able to ensconce myself in a tidy little corner and be the man behind the curtain will be missed. Again, the enemy having the possibility to pull the curtain back is .... (ugh) fair, too.

The one last thing I'd like to see is a specific command ship for each race, rather than roping the T2 battle cruiser into the role. I still want to see the T2 BC get a pure combat role. Just give me something hard to blow up, with maybe some oompf for my little modules radiating my omnipotence to the fleet...something with a cup holder and a lot of chrome maybe?

This should all be very interesting. It's hard to say it's a welcome change until we see it in practice. I'll just leave it at, I can see why. I hope the implementation is worthy of the ambition.

Paradise is like where you are right now, only much, much better.

Solecist Project
#6 - 2016-08-29 16:27:12 UTC
Oh Vyl!
Long time no see!
What a surprise seeing you around!

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

kate diver
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2016-08-29 16:31:47 UTC
my question is will the new bonus system also effect the ship giving the bonusesShockedShockedShockedShockedShocked
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#8 - 2016-08-29 16:36:05 UTC
Serene can have your stuff. Can I have your delicious vintage SP?

When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.

Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#9 - 2016-08-29 16:43:43 UTC
You can keep your stuff and your SP if you just learn to post in the right place lol.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=491634
Daemun Khanid
Corbeau de sang
#10 - 2016-08-29 16:48:01 UTC
You know why so many ppl prefer reddit? Cause there is no "right place." You dont have to search all over just to make sure there isn't already a topic on something. I personally looked in "upcoming feature and change feedback center" and "test server feedback" and found nothing. Instead it's under Information portal w things like alliance tournament and patch note feedback. If everyone posted everything "where it belonged" there'd be no general discussion thread...

Daemun of Khanid

Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#11 - 2016-08-29 16:51:08 UTC
Daemun Khanid wrote:
You know why so many ppl prefer reddit? Cause there is no "right place." You dont have to search all over just to make sure there isn't already a topic on something. I personally looked in "upcoming feature and change feedback center" and "test server feedback" and found nothing. Instead it's under Information portal w things like alliance tournament and patch note feedback. If everyone posted everything "where it belonged" there'd be no general discussion thread...


There is a link to the proper section in the DEV BLOG that sparked this discussion...right under the name of the blog.
PsiMin
Cylon Advance
The Rogue Consortium
#12 - 2016-08-29 16:52:43 UTC
How does this effect the Rorqual etc, I don't mine often but when I do its split over different belts, if this happens it would mean that all ships need to be within a set range or the Rorqual, not read all of the post yet as just got in from work and im to lazy. Will do it later

Im not sure on range of these but its going to be cosy with all those mining ships and a tasty Rorqual on scan

Daemun Khanid
Corbeau de sang
#13 - 2016-08-29 16:58:02 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Daemun Khanid wrote:
You know why so many ppl prefer reddit? Cause there is no "right place." You dont have to search all over just to make sure there isn't already a topic on something. I personally looked in "upcoming feature and change feedback center" and "test server feedback" and found nothing. Instead it's under Information portal w things like alliance tournament and patch note feedback. If everyone posted everything "where it belonged" there'd be no general discussion thread...


There is a link to the proper section in the DEV BLOG that sparked this discussion...right under the name of the blog.


Which of course indicates that no discussion is therefore to take place in any location other than that one. And really? One is supposed to surmise that "comments" at the top of a wall of text is where we're all supposed to go to discuss any and all related matters huh? If you really plan on policing all GD topics that are gonna pop up related to this change you're gonna be one busy little bunny.

Daemun of Khanid

Cabablanka
Merkez
#14 - 2016-08-29 16:58:27 UTC
you guys realy think well but what you are doing is fixing something and completly destroy other thing.

You just change the mechanic and you think everything gonna work differently.

You just doing same thing but u just make thing even harder.

Big things coming

You gonna destroy solo pvp (you are doing it everytime but this time its gonna dead)
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#15 - 2016-08-29 16:59:09 UTC
Daemun Khanid wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Daemun Khanid wrote:
You know why so many ppl prefer reddit? Cause there is no "right place." You dont have to search all over just to make sure there isn't already a topic on something. I personally looked in "upcoming feature and change feedback center" and "test server feedback" and found nothing. Instead it's under Information portal w things like alliance tournament and patch note feedback. If everyone posted everything "where it belonged" there'd be no general discussion thread...


There is a link to the proper section in the DEV BLOG that sparked this discussion...right under the name of the blog.


Which of course indicates that no discussion is therefore to take place in any location other than that one. And really? One is supposed to surmise that "comments" at the top of a wall of text is where we're all supposed to go to discuss any and all related matters huh? If you really plan on policing all GD topics that are gonna pop up related to this change you're gonna be one busy little bunny.


Just pointing out that you can't read, nor can you follow the forum rules, yet it's the forum you complain about...
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#16 - 2016-08-29 17:00:45 UTC
Interestingly, from the devblog it looks like highsec doesn't matter:

Quote:
Fleet boosting should allow counter-play by enemies and involve risk appropriate to its power

Although probing down and catching off-grid boosters under the current system is possible and can be very powerful, it requires support that is not always available to small fleets or solo players. Bringing all fleet-affecting gameplay into visible range ensures that players have the ability to interact with all relevant elements of their opponent’s fleets.

Under the old fleet hierarchy system, this vulnerability would have become an undue burden on fleet commanders as reshuffling fleet positions as your booster ships die would involve unreasonable micro-management. Under the new Command Burst system fleet, hierarchy no longer matters for boosting, allowing Command Burst redundancy in the same way fleets already build logistics and interdictor redundancy.


Yeah, probing down a booster in highsec means stuff all.

So no counter play to command bursts in highsec at all.

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."

Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#17 - 2016-08-29 17:03:49 UTC
Cabablanka wrote:
You gonna destroy solo pvp (you are doing it everytime but this time its gonna dead)

Links + 50 logi + jams + other **** is NOT solo.

Your tears are delicious, btw. Now learn to actually fly solo. ******.

When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.

Solecist Project
#18 - 2016-08-29 17:04:18 UTC
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Interestingly, from the devblog it looks like highsec doesn't matter:

Quote:
Fleet boosting should allow counter-play by enemies and involve risk appropriate to its power

Although probing down and catching off-grid boosters under the current system is possible and can be very powerful, it requires support that is not always available to small fleets or solo players. Bringing all fleet-affecting gameplay into visible range ensures that players have the ability to interact with all relevant elements of their opponent’s fleets.

Under the old fleet hierarchy system, this vulnerability would have become an undue burden on fleet commanders as reshuffling fleet positions as your booster ships die would involve unreasonable micro-management. Under the new Command Burst system fleet, hierarchy no longer matters for boosting, allowing Command Burst redundancy in the same way fleets already build logistics and interdictor redundancy.


Yeah, probing down a booster in highsec means stuff all.

So no counter play to command bursts in highsec at all.

I'm having a really bad day today, it seems...

What's the issue?

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

Solecist Project
#19 - 2016-08-29 17:05:40 UTC
Linus Gorp wrote:
Cabablanka wrote:
You gonna destroy solo pvp (you are doing it everytime but this time its gonna dead)

Links + 50 logi + jams + other **** is NOT solo.

Your tears are delicious, btw. Now learn to actually fly solo. ******.

I'm completely lost on what solo has to do with this anyway ...

I mean ... you're not solo when you have a booster around.
On grid, off grid ... it's not solo.

Only wimps call that solo.

Sheesh...

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

Daemun Khanid
Corbeau de sang
#20 - 2016-08-29 17:09:01 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Daemun Khanid wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Daemun Khanid wrote:
You know why so many ppl prefer reddit? Cause there is no "right place." You dont have to search all over just to make sure there isn't already a topic on something. I personally looked in "upcoming feature and change feedback center" and "test server feedback" and found nothing. Instead it's under Information portal w things like alliance tournament and patch note feedback. If everyone posted everything "where it belonged" there'd be no general discussion thread...


There is a link to the proper section in the DEV BLOG that sparked this discussion...right under the name of the blog.


Which of course indicates that no discussion is therefore to take place in any location other than that one. And really? One is supposed to surmise that "comments" at the top of a wall of text is where we're all supposed to go to discuss any and all related matters huh? If you really plan on policing all GD topics that are gonna pop up related to this change you're gonna be one busy little bunny.


Just pointing out that you can't read, nor can you follow the forum rules, yet it's the forum you complain about...


a. Didnt have any trouble reading, the "link" isn't part of the body of the relevant text.
b. I didn't complain about the forums, I pointed out your vain and arrogant attempt at doing the forum moderators job for them.

Daemun of Khanid

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