Player Features and Ideas Discussion

These seem to come up a lot.

I don't live in hisec,
I can be engaged anywhere because of low sec status.

What are kill rights trying to do from a development perspective?
-Make profit for the person who has the kill right?
-Perform as a justice system for popped players to fight back against the poppers.
I don't think these two objectives work well in one mechanic.


But would this be completely game breaking? if so, why?
You get a kill right on a player because they popped you and you didn't shoot back?
You can pay a bucket of isk to make that player a fair target to anyone, wherever they are for the next X days (based on isk?)
Shuttle losses, titans, whatever don't clear the kill-right, it's another timer!

This makes sense in my head because... well if you're putting up a kill-right it's because you want that person dead, other considerations secondary.
Additionally, to be in a position where you can have a kill right placed upon you it's because you've done something bad. Cynolives matter apparently.

So why does Conchord go "Yeh this guy has been a bad guy, if you pay the victim, (not us for some reason) then you can shoot him" "Oh he's been killed, No I don't care what he was flying! Paper plane? Battleship? same thing! Justice is served"

If your response is along the lines of -that would make ganking people in hisec and sitting on stations like Jabba the Hut and waiting for tasty treats to come to me with very few repercussions, then to that I say;
Meh, I don't think it should be so easy to be a repeat offending criminal in a high population area defined as high security

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Not talking about Forests or Trees!
When confusing analogies with arguments, use the same imaginary scenario that the person you're arguing with used, or is talking about.

I guess you missed the memo.

Yeh but, why?

Was that their point to begin with?

How about.

Lets say, ganker kills a hauler with value of 1bill isk, then he gets sort of suspect timer for a month that doesnt gets removed untill he had been killed for half the value of what he killed, rendering him a target for his actions for up to a month.

Yeah, but when does it stop ?

So you basically want to make KRs more punishing cause they don't apply to you.
Great. Good post.

never

as intended

i wouldn´t care. ive been flying around freely in highsec as -10 all day ...
... your permasuspect is nothing different to me ...
... or any other -10 out there.

anyway, your idea adds nothing.
all you want is more "lawfull" behaviour ...
... by throwing ecen more deterrent at the curious.

i take anything in exchange for gcc, though.
gcc is cancer.


and if i may burst a bubble in this thread ... reigning terror over highsec in a scenarie where there wont be a CONCORD is a dream that will last rather shortly. People will start offering protection services for isk very quickly and the average amount of self responsibility would increase dramatically. it would be fun, though ... oh boy...

There is a 30 second invulnerability timer on undocking. Being instapopped because of slow animation isn't a thing in normal game behavior. It's impossible.

So, this sort of thing would encourage people to have Insta undock and instadock bookmarks, gate perches and safes, as well as providing an opportunity for protection services.

That would have flow on effects for surviving wardecs and decrease people's risk as their management of their safety increases. Multiple benefits.

I guess so, maybe.
The reason I started the topic was because from my perspective, a person who doesn't interact with them at all, they don't appear to be doing things I fully understand.
Killrights are made available by non legal popping. OK. So when you follow that trail it's meant to behave like a justice mecanic to let the victim player get some revenge?
But in the rare cases that I've seen someone with a killright on them, and typically the ones I read about, they resolve themselves (most of the time) in 2 ways.

The Killright price is stupidly high, probably because it's some kinda sam
or
The player with the killright set on them gets a buddy to activate it and gets popped in a shuttle.

But as I said, I don't use them, I don't live in hisec, this is an outsider's perspective.
And I find them a little mad.

I wasn't trying to steer this in the direction of Concord going away either.