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Goatman NotMyFault
Lubrication Industries
#21 - 2016-08-24 22:02:35 UTC
Sammy Fischer wrote:
No!
Literally every one of those ideas sucks!


Thank you, i value Your onion.

NEXT!
Goatman NotMyFault
Lubrication Industries
#22 - 2016-08-24 22:35:34 UTC
Rawketsled wrote:
1. It was originally like that. CCP has worked hard to remove it.

2. Explain in more detail please.

- a Corporation aint run by itselves or for that matter it run by invisiblke elfs.... ergo corps needs a staff... npc staff... they want a salary... ergo overhead. That WILL remove the use of alot of corps that is just made cuz Mickey mouse fancy Minnie,

3. As per the Eve lore, an ISK is usually more than what most people earn in a year. Given that capsuleer ships have tiny crews (most systems are controlled by the pilot), the annual salary is bugger all. Especially considering how quickly most people lose ships.

-If i dont remember correctly, a Dread had a staff of 3k or something.... Who is payng their salary?? the toothfairy?

4. Capitals already aren't allowed. Crime is heavily punished. Auto-podding is excessive. What advantage does that have?

-Crime is NOT heavily punished.... ive done ganking from time to time... damn fun and no real punishment.

5. So you want highsec a hauling+mining+trading only zone. Pushing all missions and combat sites out of high is an... interesting idea.

-make Hisec much smaller.... HiSec is mainly populationsenters

6. How can a captured system be retaken if no guns are allowed?

-you are only allowed to carry guns in HiSec if ure enrolled in faction navy or something... if you break rules With guns in HiSec and gank People... u get banned from HiSec and instantly podded

7. Already exists, except covert bases. Covert bases are too safe.

-Covertbases.. can cloak... but not much more than that, also its a military grade base, not available for "regular" People... but can rarely be found in black markeds.

8. Explain in more detail please.

-Whe you fly around in EVE... you find structures like platforms, ships, miningcolony ect ect... all can be salvaged, stolen, dockable, killabale, useable... ect ect

9. Easily circumvented. Generic Nullsec Alliance Part 1. Generic Nullsec Alliance Part 2. Generic Nullsec Alliance Part 3...

- agreed, needs a good solution ;)

10. This I'd actually be in favour of.

- yay

11. How do I get a licence in the first place? I need to mine to get money, but I now need to get money to mine.

- lets say lowyield mining sites are free for all... then permits can be aquired by buying if you got good standing and a clean criminal record... or is some factions... BRIBES XD

12. What benefit does this have?

Why shouldnt it?? or should we implement maritime Law, making it piracy to take controll over anything that aint Yours lawfully?

13. Explain in more detail please.

okay.... Some parts are heavily shrouded in gas or dust... or astronomical amounts of dead fedo's for that matter. Some systems have so faint sun that its almost dark all timne and you fly by instrument and you cant see much... or you cn see in radar mode or something. Alot of very faint systems hidden around the Galaxy, containing all kinda crap... or just nothing at all.

14. How often do stars die? I mean, our star is billions of years old and has billions of years left in its life.


The share amount of stars in a Galaxy is staggering... from time to time, **** hits the fan... if its Close to populated areas, if will have an effect. And black holes, is a black hole.... it WILL suck in much more than 5$ backyard sweethart.



Additional:


-Alien spieces.... the grey will kidnap People from time to time.... Please kidnap Goons leadership and perform happy happy fun fun Experiments on them.

-Factions WARs WILL have effect of systems, stations... yes... NPC stations can be destroyed, so insure ur stuff

- Nullsec is area that NPC faxtions have no interest in or have no military Power to secure... ergo.. all infrastructure needs to be built by human/npc population.

-As Developer in nullsec, making ur npc population happy, gives you more support, NPC will then help you defend Your system. If you neglect ur npc population, they will betray you. Also, indgious spieces will be found in some systems, where intergalactic Law applys, no contact if they are not able to enter Space. So no, you cant be the local God and make spiecies worship and Wash ur feet everyday.... damn ur fetish

- Physics apply to all Battle, gunfire have no limits... it will travel straight Ahead until it hits something

-You can hire NPC crew to fly Your ships for ya... but you need to Train them, pay and if in nullsec, apply livingquarters ect ect...
Goatman NotMyFault
Lubrication Industries
#23 - 2016-08-24 22:39:35 UTC
Tragot Gomndor wrote:
You know how many years it would take CCP to invent EVE2, while still maintaining and upgrading EVE1. Look at other games, that try to be perfect and still being in alpha status for almost 5 years, and they have all their hands on just one project.

We dont need a second EVE. Maybe we need a second exodus.


yes i know... but at some point in the future, EVE will die... you cant restore a old car too many times... at the end you have to just get rid of it.

EVE needs a bigazz revival... New skins and happy friendships aint the solution... btw.. the Friendship aint the best ship.... "Dicatorship" IS THE BEST SHIP
Goatman NotMyFault
Lubrication Industries
#24 - 2016-08-24 22:42:24 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
CCP has pretty much burnt all their bridges when it comes to EvE. Theyve never been able to balance the game. They failed to show any ability to manage their forums which is why most use Reddit instead. Their inability to rein in griefing and ganking is well known all over the internets. Their inability to deliver on promised content and constant nerfing of content aswell as their failure to fix bugs for years and years is legendary.

Unless they totally reinvented themselves and reset their EvE is Harsh therefore we allow scamming griefing ganking and absurd metagaming ideology I doubt theyd get anyone but those already subbed to EvE to sign up.


Can I have your stuff?



Do you need stuff?? Did you loose all Your stuff when fleeing out of Your own Territory??
Goatman NotMyFault
Lubrication Industries
#25 - 2016-08-24 22:44:00 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
Show us on the doll where the confessor touched you. Roll


It touched me right there... and it still hurts Sad
Goatman NotMyFault
Lubrication Industries
#26 - 2016-08-24 22:47:45 UTC
Angry Onions wrote:
Goatman NotMyFault wrote:
Instead of bickering about ideas for EVE... pro, cons, trollig ect ect..


Try focusing on suggesting CCP to make EVE 2...




1. Redo a the economics in EVE 2. Make players and NPC work more together and against each other. Make players be dependent on NPC.

2. Corporations have a overhead and employees. (NPC and players)

3. Ships have crew, NPC crew. Crew demands salary. Having a large Collection of active ships standing, will bleed ur wallet.

4. Most highsec wont allow larger armed ships. Crime in Hi-sec will be heavily punish by denied entry to hi-sec and Instant podding at any atempt to re-enter hi-sec for 1 year/or a moth.

5. Guns fittings ect ect are not sold in hi-sec.

6. Hi-sec will nessesary not be hi-sec forever. If priate faction invade hi-sec system successfully, it will become low or nullsec until its retaken.

7. A large variety of starbases, even covert bases thats cloaked.

8. All Objects in Space ARE useable.

9. NPC factions/empires wont tolerate large player alliances in nullsec if they grow to big... if so they will declare war and begin invading.

10. Concord WILL do roams in low and nullsec on criminalhunts from time to time

11. All mining and industry must have concession from controlling faction/empire/sovholder

12. everything, anything, everywhere can be owned, nothing is unclaimable.

13. Universe is much more shrowded than now.

14. Star dies, systems dies, New get born. A dynamic universe.



ect ect ect ect....


Please add ideas


and let the trollchoir begin their tirade to try shut this thread....


Tallyho



What?

There is pants on head stupid, then there is this post. I feel like I need to re-enroll in school because I read this ****. Idea number 7 is kinda cool but would be such a pain in the ass for everyone to deal with. Everything else is more cancer than actual cancer.






Next time i wont wear my Fedoskin pants on my head while writing to please Your Highness.
Goatman NotMyFault
Lubrication Industries
#27 - 2016-08-24 22:50:05 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
I like these ideas.
And OP's quality name.



OP's name is a result of me ended up being Citizen number something since CCCP didnt like my lastname "RamUrAzz"
Goatman NotMyFault
Lubrication Industries
#28 - 2016-08-24 22:54:21 UTC
Elenahina wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
CCP has pretty much burnt all their bridges when it comes to EvE. Theyve never been able to balance the game. They failed to show any ability to manage their forums which is why most use Reddit instead. Their inability to rein in griefing and ganking is well known all over the internets. Their inability to deliver on promised content and constant nerfing of content aswell as their failure to fix bugs for years and years is legendary.

Unless they totally reinvented themselves and reset their EvE is Harsh therefore we allow scamming griefing ganking and absurd metagaming ideology I doubt theyd get anyone but those already subbed to EvE to sign up.


You seem very bitter about something. Would you like to talk about it? I can recommend some excellent therapists.



Infinity Ziona is actullay sharing her opinion (or in ur mind, sharing her onion) which is shared by a much larger number of EVE players... most of them aint using the forum...

And yes, please recommend some excellent therapists... there must be someone able to find a Cure against this EVE disease.
Foxstar Damaskeenus
why did i join this corp
Not Purple Shoot It.
#29 - 2016-08-24 23:23:48 UTC
Oh, I get it, this is a troll post.

"[this thread] is a cesspit of trolling and flaming" ISD Buldath
Solecist Project
#30 - 2016-08-24 23:51:10 UTC
Goatman NotMyFault wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
I like these ideas.
And OP's quality name.



OP's name is a result of me ended up being Citizen number something since CCCP didnt like my lastname "RamUrAzz"

why would they censor "ramirez" ??

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Goatman NotMyFault
Lubrication Industries
#31 - 2016-08-25 00:07:04 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
Goatman NotMyFault wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
I like these ideas.
And OP's quality name.



OP's name is a result of me ended up being Citizen number something since CCCP didnt like my lastname "RamUrAzz"

why would they censor "ramirez" ??


I have no glue... not my fault im dyslectic Shocked
oiukhp Muvila
Doomheim
#32 - 2016-08-25 02:13:17 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
CCP has pretty much burnt all their bridges when it comes to EvE. Theyve never been able to balance the game. They failed to show any ability to manage their forums which is why most use Reddit instead. Their inability to rein in griefing and ganking is well known all over the internets. Their inability to deliver on promised content and constant nerfing of content aswell as their failure to fix bugs for years and years is legendary.

Unless they totally reinvented themselves and reset their EvE is Harsh therefore we allow scamming griefing ganking and absurd metagaming ideology I doubt theyd get anyone but those already subbed to EvE to sign up.



Probably why this game has barely stayed alive all these years and never really flourished.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#33 - 2016-08-25 02:25:35 UTC
Goatman NotMyFault wrote:
Make players be dependent on NPC.


leave

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Dolorous Tremmens
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2016-08-25 03:02:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Dolorous Tremmens
oiukhp Muvila wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
CCP has pretty much burnt all their bridges when it comes to EvE. Theyve never been able to balance the game. They failed to show any ability to manage their forums which is why most use Reddit instead. Their inability to rein in griefing and ganking is well known all over the internets. Their inability to deliver on promised content and constant nerfing of content aswell as their failure to fix bugs for years and years is legendary.

Unless they totally reinvented themselves and reset their EvE is Harsh therefore we allow scamming griefing ganking and absurd metagaming ideology I doubt theyd get anyone but those already subbed to EvE to sign up.



Probably why this game has barely stayed alive all these years and never really flourished.



the reason why eve is harsh is because that was how it was designed to be. Players against players for as much of the game's content as possible. The game is just a framework for a social construction that allows for the mistreatment and abuse of others, but at the same time teamwork and loyalty with goals, that don't banner across your screen as achievements.

I'll refer you to page 2 of PCGAMER's "The making of eve online"

http://www.pcgamer.com/the-making-of-eve-online/2/

*not everyone wants a survival struggle, eve is "dying" because people want an easy pat on the back, and friends they don't have to see after they pug, and mess up.

*edit 2: oh yeah forgot to add that its not the "you're special and the only one that can save the world with your peashooter/toothpick sword/magic sparkleyness," game. Eve says you're not special, you're a cog, and you should do what cogs do. roll with everyone else and do your thing at your speed.

Get some Eve. Make it yours.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2016-08-25 04:16:49 UTC
Dolorous Tremmens wrote:
oiukhp Muvila wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
CCP has pretty much burnt all their bridges when it comes to EvE. Theyve never been able to balance the game. They failed to show any ability to manage their forums which is why most use Reddit instead. Their inability to rein in griefing and ganking is well known all over the internets. Their inability to deliver on promised content and constant nerfing of content aswell as their failure to fix bugs for years and years is legendary.

Unless they totally reinvented themselves and reset their EvE is Harsh therefore we allow scamming griefing ganking and absurd metagaming ideology I doubt theyd get anyone but those already subbed to EvE to sign up.



Probably why this game has barely stayed alive all these years and never really flourished.



the reason why eve is harsh is because that was how it was designed to be. Players against players for as much of the game's content as possible. The game is just a framework for a social construction that allows for the mistreatment and abuse of others, but at the same time teamwork and loyalty with goals, that don't banner across your screen as achievements.

I'll refer you to page 2 of PCGAMER's "The making of eve online"

http://www.pcgamer.com/the-making-of-eve-online/2/

*not everyone wants a survival struggle, eve is "dying" because people want an easy pat on the back, and friends they don't have to see after they pug, and mess up.

*edit 2: oh yeah forgot to add that its not the "you're special and the only one that can save the world with your peashooter/toothpick sword/magic sparkleyness," game. Eve says you're not special, you're a cog, and you should do what cogs do. roll with everyone else and do your thing at your speed.

Played EvE since 2003. I doubt you have. That means I know exactly what EvE was designed to be.

EvE was harsh and meant to be. Harsh in that when you died the person killing you didn't get to loot one item off you like most MMO's that allowed looting, they got to loot everything. Harsh in that when you went to lowsec or null you could be killed anywhere anytime by 1 or 20 people. Harsh in that if you wanted to bring your loot back from null sec you had to haul it in a t1 industrial over often 90 jumps. Harsh in that when you captured a conquerable station and docked all your ships they could all be lost with no way to recover them other than recapturing the station.

When EvE came out there was no ganking and there was never meant to be wholesale ganking. If ganking got out of control from powercreep CCP would nerf it so it was under control.

The poisonous posers, the scammers and metagamers were at first controlled quite well but CCP let it slip and the game never recovered from that. Its got a terrible reputation for the worst sort of reasons.



CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
oiukhp Muvila
Doomheim
#36 - 2016-08-25 04:26:57 UTC  |  Edited by: oiukhp Muvila
The wholesale ganking really kicked off when privateer's decided to try and force a gameplay style more akin to a fps game. At least that was the excuse they gave for starting all those wars, which caused CCP to nerf wardecs.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2016-08-25 05:22:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Infinity Ziona
oiukhp Muvila wrote:
The wholesale ganking really kicked off when privateer's decided to try and force a gameplay style more akin to a fps game. At least that was the excuse they gave for starting all those wars, which caused CCP to nerf wardecs.

Actually I founded Privateers.

The reason it was founded was pretty simple - the alliances were claiming sov out in null and carebearing there, killing anyone who tried to go to null and then they'd come back and carebear in highsec in complete safety.

The goal of Privateers was to create a balance so that alliance space was safe but highsec was dangerous. The opposite of what it was for high seccers, high sec safe, null dangerous.

Unfortunately the alliances created a huge number of whine threads about how they were being ganked in high by Privateers and how it wasn't fair which was rediculous given the situation.

CCP, rather than allowing the sandbox to exist and encouraging the alliances to set up a counter, like high sec escorts and counter fleets, decided they'd nerf war decs so only alliances could realistically afford to dec everyone.

It eventuated because in a discussion with some alliance dweebs, I was challenged to "declare war on us if you don't like it". So I did. Just not in the way they imagined.

I'm far from a carebear, I believe wholeheartedly in non-consensual pvp, in if you undock your ship you should be killable (to an extent) and in losses meaning something.

Where I differ from a griefer is I believe carebears are an important part of EvE, they sustain EvE and should be given as much attention as PvP'rs. They should not be killed without warning (wardecs, being in low, null or wh), and I believe that ganking is a much a carebear activity as mining, but as opposite to mining, its very toxic to the game as a whole.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Dolorous Tremmens
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2016-08-25 07:34:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Dolorous Tremmens
Infinity Ziona wrote:

Played EvE since 2003. I doubt you have. That means I know exactly what EvE was designed to be.

EvE was harsh and meant to be. Harsh in that when you died the person killing you didn't get to loot one item off you like most MMO's that allowed looting, they got to loot everything. Harsh in that when you went to lowsec or null you could be killed anywhere anytime by 1 or 20 people. Harsh in that if you wanted to bring your loot back from null sec you had to haul it in a t1 industrial over often 90 jumps. Harsh in that when you captured a conquerable station and docked all your ships they could all be lost with no way to recover them other than recapturing the station.

When EvE came out there was no ganking and there was never meant to be wholesale ganking. If ganking got out of control from powercreep CCP would nerf it so it was under control.


proved my point. Eve is harsh, and you've been bitter longer. I'm sure that makes you privy to the innermost thoughts of the current devs, most of which did not start(as devs) in 2003.

Unsurprisingly, I still have things in stations I can't touch unless the outpost is taken back. The are RNG's that mean you don't get every single thing dropped, Ganking has been see-sawing back and forth as it always has, the incautious are being coddled (freighters with mods, mining tanks), and you want it softer.

But the scams, the posers, the people being ganked in places and situations of obvious danger point to a basic fact of eve:
You can't stop or help stupid people from making stupid mistakes, mistakes that are easily avoidable with forethought and caution.

Infinity Ziona wrote:


I'm far from a carebear, I believe wholeheartedly in non-consensual pvp, in if you undock your ship you should be killable (to an extent) and in losses meaning something.

Where I differ from a griefer is I believe carebears are an important part of EvE, they sustain EvE and should be given as much attention as PvP'rs. They should not be killed without warning (wardecs, being in low, null or wh), and I believe that ganking is a much a carebear activity as mining, but as opposite to mining, its very toxic to the game as a whole.


I've seen your determination to make the game have as little interaction as possible, and to restart it as a carebear paradise.
Any yet, ganking is a carebear activity.. but its toxic to other carebears because it puts other carebears at risk.

While you may not believe yourself to be a carebear, and you believe wholeheartedly in non-consensual PVP, you believe people should not get killed without warning ANYWHERE? trigger warning!

Blinky lights, Safety buttons, space security warnings, Standings tags, targetting/lowshield/armor/klaxxons, Market price warnings, Citadels( with outside views! Spacemagical asset protection!) CCP is making and has made the game alot less harsh than your eve childhood, but it isn't enough according to your posts.

I hear echos of Safe zones and Carebearlivesmatter and Sov Justice Warior activity. Not safety or security but entitlement.
Put down the picket sign, get off your soapbox, and stop your slogans about special rights for likely victims, because everyone in eve has the equal opportunity to be one. Some are just smart enough to not be.

Eve has a terrible reputation, but the adage, "There's no such thing as bad press," while untrue in many other places, works here because that is the main selling point.

The thing that eve really needs is corpse barbie(Chloe!) Hats, period based skins (psychedelic! Neon pink! Shag highlights!) bumper stickers (my other titan is a velator) and free git-off-mah-lawn signs for the entitled true-eve bittervets.

Get some Eve. Make it yours.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2016-08-25 07:52:07 UTC
Dolorous Tremmens wrote:

I've seen your determination to make the game have as little interaction as possible, and to restart it as a carebear paradise.
Any yet, ganking is a carebear activity.. but its toxic to other carebears because it puts other carebears at risk.

While you may not believe yourself to be a carebear, and you believe wholeheartedly in non-consensual PVP, you believe people should not get killed without warning ANYWHERE? trigger warning!

Blinky lights, Safety buttons, space security warnings, Standings tags, targetting/lowshield/armor/klaxxons, Market price warnings, Citadels( with outside views! Spacemagical asset protection!) CCP is making and has made the game alot less harsh than your eve childhood, but it isn't enough according to your posts.

I hear echos of Safe zones and Carebearlivesmatter and Sov Justice Warior activity. Not safety or security but entitlement.
Put down the picket sign, get off your soapbox, and stop your slogans about special rights for likely victims, because everyone in eve has the equal opportunity to be one. Some are just smart enough to not be.

Eve has a terrible reputation, but the adage, "There's no such thing as bad press," while untrue in many other places, works here because that is the main selling point.

The thing that eve really needs is corpse barbie(Chloe!) Hats, period based skins (psychedelic! Neon pink! Shag highlights!) bumper stickers (my other titan is a velator) and free git-off-mah-lawn signs for the entitled true-eve bittervets.

Carebears are what pay for EvE. Killing them is counter-productive because a killed carebear is likely to leave and a carebear not paying for a sub is less money for EvE.

I spent a good 7 years in highsec ganking carebears using wardecs. Wars are a legitimate and productive way of killing carebears. There is no need to sit at a gate in the safety of concords protection in a disposable ship to kill a carebear. All one needs to do is declare war on 3 alliances (relatively cheap) to have around 15,000 to 30,000 targets available in high sec. Why don't suicide gankers do this, because their concord safety is removed. Thus they are the greatest carebears, they risk nothing, lose almost nothing and have no fear of being engaged first.

If you can't see that you're unfortunately one of the problems with EvE. Bad press for a game is very bad for a game. You can't pretend its somehow good. MMO's subsist or prosper based on their reviews and reputation.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#40 - 2016-08-25 09:20:50 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:

Carebears are what pay for EvE. Killing them is counter-productive because a killed carebear is likely to leave and a carebear not paying for a sub is less money for EvE.


CCP looked into this.

They found that 85% of people who leave the game in the first 15 days do so without ever engaging in pvp. They also found people who have been killed are more likely to stay with the game.