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[SANXI] Made in Lirsautton

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Xun Yu
Sanxing
#1 - 2016-08-17 06:37:53 UTC
Sanxing
Press release:Project "Made in Lirsautton" announcement

With the temporary cessation of hostilities on the Jin-Mei homeworld of Chandeille (Lirsautton V) thanks to the relief effort administered by Sanxing and from the lobbying of the Villore Assembly we are happy to move into the next stage of our efforts.

Sanxing has been working tirelessly to not only alleviate the immediate impact of the conflict, by the delivery of the vast amount of aid provided to us by our capsuleer community, but also to see that there is a permanent peace. It is a difficult and ongoing process but we have been successful in getting all parties to participate in negotiations, however it is too early to say how successful these will be.

Identifying the need however to provide the refugees from the conflict with not only temporary relief, but to allow them to regain purpose and employment, Sanxing has instituted Project "Made in Lirsautton". This project provides employment, as well as on-the-job skills training, to refugees in construction and manufacturing industry. All wages take into account poverty index as well as the purchasing power of Federal currency. These wages are in addition to any aid provided via the relief program.

The first twenty Bestower-class hulls have rolled off of the production line, and we are proud to offer them to the capsuleer community. These hulls are produced in Lirsautton, from resources harvested and refined in Lirsautton or Federal space, and are entirely slavery-free during all stages of harvesting, refining, manufacturing, and sale.

While we recognise this is a comparatively minor production, we are confident it is the first of many, and for the people involved in the production of these hulls the renewed sense of purpose and a return to some form of normalcy cannot be overstated.

Again we thank the staff of Sanxing for their tireless work, the people and organisations of the Federation for their support, and of course you the capsuleer community, without all of you none of this would be possible.

For the Jin-Mei! For the Federation!
Taishou Xun Yu

Sanxing - 'Three Stars' - Committed to the Jin-Mei and the Federation

Find us on your Neocom on the router: Sanxing

Felise Selunix
Keyholder Investment Group
#2 - 2016-08-18 03:01:20 UTC
Thank you for sharing this exciting news Taishou Xun Yu! It seems to be a promising new chapter for Chandeille and the Federation business community at large. From my experience in the market, there is definitely an international market for locally made equipment, and fair trade is still a niche market, but I think it's growing among capsuleers.

Are there any plans for international marketing? I know a few Matari capsuleers that would love to own a slavery-free Bestower! Heck, I may even buy one myself :)
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2016-08-18 03:34:55 UTC
Felise Selunix wrote:
Thank you for sharing this exciting news Taishou Xun Yu! It seems to be a promising new chapter for Chandeille and the Federation business community at large. From my experience in the market, there is definitely an international market for locally made equipment, and fair trade is still a niche market, but I think it's growing among capsuleers.

Are there any plans for international marketing? I know a few Matari capsuleers that would love to own a slavery-free Bestower! Heck, I may even buy one myself :)


The fact that hauler vessels have crew at all is f-ing stupid! Come on! Everything has RFID or some variant of the technology these days! Automation technology is now very advance! What is so difficult about using loader arms and RFID scanners and a weak AI to sort out cargo and keep track of everything and arrange everything in good order?

Also, hauler vessels are known for having a lack of moving parts! Maintenance and emergency repairs shouldn't even be a problem!

F-ing lack of political will to invest in life-saving automation technology!

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Kolodi Ramal
Sanxing Yi
#4 - 2016-08-18 04:51:49 UTC
Felise Selunix wrote:
Are there any plans for international marketing? I know a few Matari capsuleers that would love to own a slavery-free Bestower! Heck, I may even buy one myself :)

You should check with Gradient! :-) I think they have built slavery-free Amarr ships in Republic space for years. In fact that was our inspiration for this project.
Xun Yu
Sanxing
#5 - 2016-08-18 09:23:32 UTC
Felise Selunix wrote:
Thank you for sharing this exciting news Taishou Xun Yu! It seems to be a promising new chapter for Chandeille and the Federation business community at large. From my experience in the market, there is definitely an international market for locally made equipment, and fair trade is still a niche market, but I think it's growing among capsuleers.

Are there any plans for international marketing? I know a few Matari capsuleers that would love to own a slavery-free Bestower! Heck, I may even buy one myself :)


Nushi Selunix,

Thank you kindly for your interest, and the hulls are presently on the capsuleer market as we speak. We'd be happy to provide a tour of the hulls, the construction line, and so forth if you wish to arrange a time with us.

We look forward to seeing what this project is able to do for the prosperity and security of the Jin-Mei people, particularly those who have been affected by the civil war.

Taishou Xun Yu

Sanxing - 'Three Stars' - Committed to the Jin-Mei and the Federation

Find us on your Neocom on the router: Sanxing

Beauregard Audeles
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2016-08-18 15:07:43 UTC
This is the first operation I have had the opportunity to join with Sanxing in since my recruitment, and for the record I would like to state that I am glad to be able to contribute in any way for the betterment of any civilian in space that needs the help.

That being said, admittedly the choice of hull will likely come off as a shock to many, and even possibly a slap in the face for all sides of viewpoint. On the one hand, not choosing a Gallente frame would come off as being non-patriotic towards the Federation. On the other hand, boasting the creation of Amarrian vessels designed for slavery without the use of slaves will definitely upset any Empire citizen within system's reach.

But disregarding any subtext placed within hull choice, I am proud that this corporation is making the choices to protect and encourage citizen growth and economic livelihood in Lirsautton, at a time that stability is needed most.
Karmilla Strife
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#7 - 2016-08-18 17:33:48 UTC
A great deal is being made about the Amarrian origin of the vessel, as if your laudable effort to provide employment opportunities in Lirsautton is somehow a blow against slavery. You do realize that the vessel was likely designed and refined over the many years of it's service by dozens, if not hundreds, of drafting technicians and engineers who were themselves slaves. The blueprints which were purchased so that you could build licensed copies, were themselves purchased from an Amarrian corporation which undoubtedly utilizes slave labor. You are profiting, at the very least indirectly, from slave labor. We'd like to welcome you to the club and thank you for your support!

If you would like to support the Amarr Empire more directly, I have a wonderful suggestion! The Bestower-class is also used by the Imperial Treasury, therefore you're welcome to seek some of the many exciting employment opportunities in Amarrian space and contribute to said treasury!
Alabath Schmidt
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2016-08-18 19:12:18 UTC
Kolodi Ramal wrote:
You should check with Gradient! :-) I think they have built slavery-free Amarr ships in Republic space for years. In fact that was our inspiration for this project.


Gradient died some time ago because poor leadership chased off all their active, quality, and contributing members. Don't waste your time there.
Xun Yu
Sanxing
#9 - 2016-08-18 21:15:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Xun Yu
Karmilla Strife wrote:
A great deal is being made about the Amarrian origin of the vessel, as if your laudable effort to provide employment opportunities in Lirsautton is somehow a blow against slavery. You do realize that the vessel was likely designed and refined over the many years of it's service by dozens, if not hundreds, of drafting technicians and engineers who were themselves slaves. The blueprints which were purchased so that you could build licensed copies, were themselves purchased from an Amarrian corporation which undoubtedly utilizes slave labor. You are profiting, at the very least indirectly, from slave labor. We'd like to welcome you to the club and thank you for your support!

If you would like to support the Amarr Empire more directly, I have a wonderful suggestion! The Bestower-class is also used by the Imperial Treasury, therefore you're welcome to seek some of the many exciting employment opportunities in Amarrian space and contribute to said treasury!


Nushi Pryce,

We realise of course that the abomination that is slavery cannot be avoided entirely when producing Amarrian hulls, as you point out the designs are no doubt the product of engineers and architects who were slaves themselves or who used slaves during the drafting. However nevertheless beyond this small element, and we sourced the blueprints within Federal space in order to further reduce direct contribution to an illegal and reprehensible practice, the hulls produced are slavery-free.

The "Made in Lirsautton" project is not a blow against the Empire, as you say, nor is it viewed as one. It is viewed as an opportunity to offer meaningful employment and skills to those affected by a civil war, and to increase the prosperity of the Jin-Mei people by targeting a niche market: individuals desiring Amarrian hulls but who do not want any produced via slaves. This is all, we harbour no illusions that the project will do anything to alter the Amarrian practice of slavery, or so forth.

I thank you for your interest, and your time.

Taishou Xun Yu

Sanxing - 'Three Stars' - Committed to the Jin-Mei and the Federation

Find us on your Neocom on the router: Sanxing

Felise Selunix
Keyholder Investment Group
#10 - 2016-08-18 21:26:34 UTC
Alabath Schmidt wrote:
Kolodi Ramal wrote:
You should check with Gradient! :-) I think they have built slavery-free Amarr ships in Republic space for years. In fact that was our inspiration for this project.


Gradient died some time ago because poor leadership chased off all their active, quality, and contributing members. Don't waste your time there.


Thanks for the suggestion! I had originally thought about buying from Gradient, but as Ms. Schmidt alluded to, there hasn't been much market noise from their shop as of late. This is another reason that I think this initiative has a really good shot. There's definitely room in the market.

I hope Gradient is able to make a comeback though, they've been a real force in the Republican economy for some time now.
Karmilla Strife
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#11 - 2016-08-18 23:46:14 UTC
I'm quite glad to see organizations, especially groups like Sanxing, provide support to baseliners in formerly war-torn systems. As a resident of one such world I have a vested interest in the contributions capsuleers can have to their homeworlds. My principle point in the previous post was highlighting the unnecessary political "point scoring" utilized by Sanxing representatives and members by specifically targeting what in my culture is a legal, acceptable, and sometimes even cherished institution.

It should go without saying that anything produced by a Caldari, Gallente, or Minmatar loyalist organization that their products are made without slave labor. The fact that you feel the need to advertise that fact seems unnecessary, unless you're either trying to justify elevated prices or you're hiding something. That thing was what I exposed in the previous post. Amarrian Slave-Engineers designed the ships you are building. They are not "Slavery-Free" no matter how much you claim they are. You are profiteering from the intellectual property of people who are themselves property.

Allow me to provide an illustrative counter-point. In the last week I have produced two dozen Caracal-class cruisers. A portion of the minerals were mined by slaves. The station in which they were produced is largely operated by slaves. The market in which they were sold, is the capital of the largest pro-slavery entity in the cluster. But, I cannot claim any kind of moral or spiritual superiority over Caldari Heiian. The ships were still designed by Caldari, the blueprint was purchased ultimately from a Caldari corporation. It was researched by a deteis capsuleer, who then sold it to me for a very Caldari profit. Some of those ships are undoubtably being used for pro-Caldari purposes now. It doesn't matter that I led my manufacturing team in prayer to God before the order was placed. It does not matter that I thanked God when the goods were transported safely to market. No matter how "Pro-Amarrian" I made those ships, I cannot escape the elements of the underlying philosophy which led to their creation. It would be absurd of me to even try. My Caldari compatriots and old friends would take offense if I even did try. So why score points against another culture or way of life? I'm neither so insecure in the superiority of my chosen way of life, nor am I so dedicated to strife (lol! get it?) that I feel the need for such effort.
Xun Yu
Sanxing
#12 - 2016-08-19 00:56:18 UTC
Karmilla Strife wrote:
I'm quite glad to see organizations, especially groups like Sanxing, provide support to baseliners in formerly war-torn systems. As a resident of one such world I have a vested interest in the contributions capsuleers can have to their homeworlds. My principle point in the previous post was highlighting the unnecessary political "point scoring" utilized by Sanxing representatives and members by specifically targeting what in my culture is a legal, acceptable, and sometimes even cherished institution.

It should go without saying that anything produced by a Caldari, Gallente, or Minmatar loyalist organization that their products are made without slave labor. The fact that you feel the need to advertise that fact seems unnecessary, unless you're either trying to justify elevated prices or you're hiding something. That thing was what I exposed in the previous post. Amarrian Slave-Engineers designed the ships you are building. They are not "Slavery-Free" no matter how much you claim they are. You are profiteering from the intellectual property of people who are themselves property.

Allow me to provide an illustrative counter-point. In the last week I have produced two dozen Caracal-class cruisers. A portion of the minerals were mined by slaves. The station in which they were produced is largely operated by slaves. The market in which they were sold, is the capital of the largest pro-slavery entity in the cluster. But, I cannot claim any kind of moral or spiritual superiority over Caldari Heiian. The ships were still designed by Caldari, the blueprint was purchased ultimately from a Caldari corporation. It was researched by a deteis capsuleer, who then sold it to me for a very Caldari profit. Some of those ships are undoubtably being used for pro-Caldari purposes now. It doesn't matter that I led my manufacturing team in prayer to God before the order was placed. It does not matter that I thanked God when the goods were transported safely to market. No matter how "Pro-Amarrian" I made those ships, I cannot escape the elements of the underlying philosophy which led to their creation. It would be absurd of me to even try. My Caldari compatriots and old friends would take offense if I even did try. So why score points against another culture or way of life? I'm neither so insecure in the superiority of my chosen way of life, nor am I so dedicated to strife (lol! get it?) that I feel the need for such effort.


Nushi Pryce,

Again I thank you for your thoughtful reply and your time. Particularly thank you for raising the matter of price as the hulls are listed at 30% below the regional average, a fact which escaped mention in the original announcement.

While we refer back to the original announcement allow me to draw your attention to the line: "slavery-free during all stages of harvesting, refining, manufacturing, and sale." You will note that they are acknowledged as being slavery free only in those qualified areas.

As you are quite correct the design of said hulls are inevitably, and regrettable, the product of slave labour. Were we able to provide appropriate restitution to the designers, or their families, we would have; however we ran into the difficulty as the products are listed as being the result of the Holder family responsible for owning the slaves involved.

I am glad that you are not so insecure in your culture so as to take offence at this element of Sanxing's marketing for the product, as again it is not directed at the Empire and is only concerned with targeting a niche market in Federal and Republic space.

Once again sincerely thank you.
Taishou Xun Yu

Sanxing - 'Three Stars' - Committed to the Jin-Mei and the Federation

Find us on your Neocom on the router: Sanxing

Avio Yaken
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#13 - 2016-08-19 05:24:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Avio Yaken
Well Taishou, heres hoping the project goes off without a hitch and that the hulls turn out better than the last toaster i bought that was "Made in Lirsautton." Damn thing broke down before i even put the bread in it..

(.___________________________________________.)/

Ameriya
Doomheim
#14 - 2016-08-19 08:23:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Ameriya
Have you all considered making Itties? Not only are they nice ships, but they were not designed by slaves.

[This post edited in accordance with employment contract.]
Xun Yu
Sanxing
#15 - 2016-08-19 09:24:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Xun Yu
Avio Yaken wrote:
Well Taishou, heres hoping the project goes off without a hitch and that the hulls turn out better than the last toaster i bought that was "Made in Lirsautton." Damn thing broke down before i even put the bread in it..


Sima Yaken,

I can assure that all products of project "made in Lirsautton" have the most strenuous product quality testing. Should you have any issues with white goods in the future do let me know as I know a great manufacturer on Tei-Su I'd recommend.

Taishou Xun Yu

Ameriya wrote:
Have you all considered making Itties? Not only are they nice ships, but they were not designed by slaves.

Slavery is a destructive institution that ultimately leads only to suffering. Not supporting it at all is a good thing.

Well, I mean, the Amarrian kind of slavery. The kind of slavery that exist between two consenting adults is something totally different and much more awesome!



Nushi l'Agusta,

It is good to hear from you, and yes we will most certainly be producing Iteron-class hulls as well, however the Industry division in consultation with the refugees being employed in the project suggested this course of action first.

Warmly,
Taishou Xun Yu

Sanxing - 'Three Stars' - Committed to the Jin-Mei and the Federation

Find us on your Neocom on the router: Sanxing

Kolodi Ramal
Sanxing Yi
#16 - 2016-08-20 02:59:43 UTC
We do all our own research, also.
Ameriya
Doomheim
#17 - 2016-08-22 04:19:47 UTC
I am not sure what Nushi is, but I'm a doctor. And you can call me Amy.

In light of Karm's comments, I've resigned from SFRIM and look forward to having an open discourse once I am free from the confines of my employment agreement.

In the mean time, I would encourage you to make Gallente hulls exclusively.
Xun Yu
Sanxing
#18 - 2016-08-22 09:03:55 UTC
Ameriya wrote:
I am not sure what Nushi is, but I'm a doctor. And you can call me Amy.

In light of Karm's comments, I've resigned from SFRIM and look forward to having an open discourse once I am free from the confines of my employment agreement.

In the mean time, I would encourage you to make Gallente hulls exclusively.


Dr. l'Agusta,

Forgive me the lapse of memory, further 'nushi' is Ji for 'lady' used much as one would use Ms. or Mrs.

I am sorry to hear that your current employment did not work out, but I look forward to further conversations in the future - it'd be delightful to have you at the Mo Li Hua Teahouse again.

I will pass on your recommendation to the Industry division.

Sincerely,
Taishou Xun Yu

Sanxing - 'Three Stars' - Committed to the Jin-Mei and the Federation

Find us on your Neocom on the router: Sanxing

Zekiel Iyhr
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#19 - 2016-08-24 17:42:00 UTC
The Bestower is a good vessel. The idea and execution could use some work, however.
Xun Yu
Sanxing
#20 - 2016-08-24 20:08:22 UTC
Zekiel Iyhr wrote:
The Bestower is a good vessel. The idea and execution could use some work, however.


Lord Iyhr,

Thank you for your time and attention.

Sanxing agrees that the Bestower is a good vessel, and well suited for its task as a transport ship. Respectfully however we must disagree on the matter of the "Made in Lirsautton" project: so far the majority of hulls from the first batch have been sold, and we have received excellent customer feedback about their quality and the ethical nature of their construction; further the refugees who are being provided with on-the-job skills training and employment report that they are exceptionally satisfied to have some element of normalcy return to their lives - indeed our psychologists tell us that the project is providing meaningful ways for many to cope with the serious psychological trauma they've experienced.

On the whole the feedback around the project has been exceedingly positive, and we have received several mails about other hulls being requested, and so forth. Concern has only been expressed by certain sections of the Amarr capsuleer community around the label "slavery-free", however as I have pointed out previously this project targets the Federal and Republic markets.

We appreciate your feedback, and your time.
Taishou Xun Yu

Sanxing - 'Three Stars' - Committed to the Jin-Mei and the Federation

Find us on your Neocom on the router: Sanxing

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