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Orca mod to super Hisec miner
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Henry Haphorn
Killer Yankee
#21 - 2012-01-04 18:15:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Henry Haphorn
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Ignore this post. Damn it, CCP. Fix the forums. They be ruining my posts.

Adapt or Die
Tikera Tissant
#22 - 2012-01-05 20:17:48 UTC
You want a super miner?
Use a BS like rokh, megathron, or others.
2-4 times the HP of a hulk, can reach almost 1K ore / min on the mega, and very few will think to mess with you in case its a trap.

The orca is a support ship, not a miner.
So forget it.
Alfadir Rex
Longlong Balus Industries
#23 - 2012-01-10 03:19:05 UTC
SlayerOfArgus wrote:
The Orca is not a mining vessel. It is a support ship. If you want to make more isk then start doing something besides mining. There are literally hundreds of ways to make isk in this game.



All the Advanced Battlecruisers are command ships yet can and do fit turrets. Why not the Orca ? Why should it be the exception to the rule ?
Alfadir Rex
Longlong Balus Industries
#24 - 2012-01-10 03:23:47 UTC
Tak McMonagle wrote:
Henry Haphorn wrote:
Roscojameson wrote:
I think a lot of you are missing what he's saying. First, the yield would suck. 3 mining lasers w/100% bonus at max skills isn't even close to the yield of a mining rohk or abaddon.

I don't see much harm in it. The only addition to what's already there is more cargohold for the ore. It would benefit the AFK miners, at least they think it would until someone showed up with a couple tornados/talos/naga.


I'm not missing the point. The problem with the OP's point is that he's not taking into account the laws of economics. And don't forget that an Orca can be super tanked to the max with no less than 240,000 EHP on average (almost 300,000 EHP if you can pull it off). I don't want to keep repeating myself here about what could possibly happen here if the OP's idea of using the Orca as a new mining vessel was implemented. Ask anyone else here who has at least some idea of how economics work and they will tell you the same thing.


What does EHP have to do with economics? If people want to mine for yield, they'll use a hulk. I doubt any bots would change.

The issue I see with this orca, is it enables people to play AFK for long periods of time. The cargohold is massive, and it has a dedicated ore hold. People could start mining and just check up on it every 30 minutes. You don't have to worry about flippers, and barely have to worry about gankers. I don't think that's what CCP wants to become of the already very AFKable mining profession.


3 strip miners will eat 3 asteroinds in 5 to 6 minutes the rest of your 30 minutes it will just serve as rat bait. Not very productive. only ice would be the exception to that.
Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Horse Feathers
CAStabouts
#25 - 2012-01-10 14:27:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Alfadir Rex wrote:
SlayerOfArgus wrote:
The Orca is not a mining vessel. It is a support ship. If you want to make more isk then start doing something besides mining. There are literally hundreds of ways to make isk in this game.



All the Advanced Battlecruisers are command ships yet can and do fit turrets. Why not the Orca ? Why should it be the exception to the rule ?

...because it's not a combat ship....

You can't put turrets on mining barges, either.

Field command ships don't even get bonuses to links...they're essentially bigger HAC's. Fleet command ships are designed to be able to come on grid and fight while boosting the fleet, having a bigger-than-normal tank and decent dps output.

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Alfadir Rex
Longlong Balus Industries
#26 - 2012-01-12 01:44:16 UTC
Fronkfurter McSheebleton wrote:
Alfadir Rex wrote:
SlayerOfArgus wrote:
The Orca is not a mining vessel. It is a support ship. If you want to make more isk then start doing something besides mining. There are literally hundreds of ways to make isk in this game.



All the Advanced Battlecruisers are command ships yet can and do fit turrets. Why not the Orca ? Why should it be the exception to the rule ?

...because it's not a combat ship....

You can't put turrets on mining barges, either.

Field command ships don't even get bonuses to links...they're essentially bigger HAC's. Fleet command ships are designed to be able to come on grid and fight while boosting the fleet, having a bigger-than-normal tank and decent dps output.

Mining lasers are turrets
Kievan Arakyd
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2012-01-15 15:27:49 UTC
Narwahl
T2 Orca Hull
+25% added to strip miner cycle time
+300$ strip miner/ice harvester range
+500% survey scan range

Requires new skill Harvester Barge (requires Exhumers V, Advanced Spaceship #?)
+10% capacity Ore hold per lvl
-5% cycle time per level (similar to mackinaw ice harvester)

Fitting
6 high
2 med
2 low

Shield Armor Structure:
Should be more than hulk, but far less than Orca

Cargo: 0
Ore hold: 50000 (75000 @ lvl 5)
No ship maint bay or corp hangars (no hauling of any thing other than raw ore)

Designed by ORE in YC 113 as a response to calls from mining operations for a more robust mining barge (due to recent attacks ) ORE released this class of Orca-hull ships refitted to mine ore, resulting in more protection and productivity for miners. Internal cargo optimizations come at a cost however, less structural integrity compared to the Orca command class.

Ochre/Gunmetal default paint scheme

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Green Beans
R and J Inc.
#28 - 2012-01-16 01:09:27 UTC
Kievan Arakyd wrote:
Narwahl
T2 Orca Hull
+25% added to strip miner cycle time
+300$ strip miner/ice harvester range
+500% survey scan range

Requires new skill Harvester Barge (requires Exhumers V, Advanced Spaceship #?)
+10% capacity Ore hold per lvl
-5% cycle time per level (similar to mackinaw ice harvester)

Fitting
6 high
2 med
2 low

Shield Armor Structure:
Should be more than hulk, but far less than Orca

Cargo: 0
Ore hold: 50000 (75000 @ lvl 5)
No ship maint bay or corp hangars (no hauling of any thing other than raw ore)

Designed by ORE in YC 113 as a response to calls from mining operations for a more robust mining barge (due to recent attacks ) ORE released this class of Orca-hull ships refitted to mine ore, resulting in more protection and productivity for miners. Internal cargo optimizations come at a cost however, less structural integrity compared to the Orca command class.

Ochre/Gunmetal default paint scheme



If CCP actually implemented this into the game, I'd go drown myself in a clogged toilet.

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#29 - 2012-01-16 01:23:15 UTC
Alfadir Rex wrote:
[quote=Fronkfurter McSheebleton]You can't put turrets on mining barges, either.
Mining lasers are turrets


Strip miners are not turrets. The Hulk has no turret hard points.

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Henry Haphorn
Killer Yankee
#30 - 2012-01-16 14:23:22 UTC
Kievan Arakyd wrote:
Narwahl
T2 Orca Hull
+25% added to strip miner cycle time
+300$ strip miner/ice harvester range
+500% survey scan range

Requires new skill Harvester Barge (requires Exhumers V, Advanced Spaceship #?)
+10% capacity Ore hold per lvl
-5% cycle time per level (similar to mackinaw ice harvester)

Fitting
6 high
2 med
2 low

Shield Armor Structure:
Should be more than hulk, but far less than Orca

Cargo: 0
Ore hold: 50000 (75000 @ lvl 5)
No ship maint bay or corp hangars (no hauling of any thing other than raw ore)

Designed by ORE in YC 113 as a response to calls from mining operations for a more robust mining barge (due to recent attacks ) ORE released this class of Orca-hull ships refitted to mine ore, resulting in more protection and productivity for miners. Internal cargo optimizations come at a cost however, less structural integrity compared to the Orca command class.

Ochre/Gunmetal default paint scheme


No.

I'm a Hulk/Orca pilot and I can tell that this is a bad idea. You are basically inviting the bots to an all-you-can-flood-minerals-market buffet. Adding new mining ships is also not the answer to the ganking problem either.

I prefer that CCP work on improving the mining experience itself instead of throwing more ships into the mining industry. For starters, I like to see asteroid belts reformed by having the rocks move on their own while in the belt.

Adapt or Die
Kievan Arakyd
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2012-01-16 22:39:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Kievan Arakyd
Henry Haphorn wrote:
[ You are basically inviting the bots to an all-you-can-flood-minerals-market buffet. Adding new mining ships is also not the answer to the ganking problem either.


Bots are already flooding the market. Ask yourself why people bot in the first place.

Got my Dust514 key...
Aisha's Vengence
#32 - 2012-01-16 22:50:12 UTC
Kievan Arakyd wrote:
Henry Haphorn wrote:
[ You are basically inviting the bots to an all-you-can-flood-minerals-market buffet. Adding new mining ships is also not the answer to the ganking problem either.


Bots are already flooding the market. Ask yourself why people bot in the first place.


You sound familiar with the subject, care to enlighten us?
Kievan Arakyd
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2012-01-17 00:51:48 UTC
Aisha's Vengence wrote:
Kievan Arakyd wrote:
Henry Haphorn wrote:
[ You are basically inviting the bots to an all-you-can-flood-minerals-market buffet. Adding new mining ships is also not the answer to the ganking problem either.


Bots are already flooding the market. Ask yourself why people bot in the first place.


You sound familiar with the subject, care to enlighten us?


I'm not going to name names, but I do report bots when I notice a pattern.

Got my Dust514 key...
Rel'k Bloodlor
Federation Front Line Report
Federation Front Line
#34 - 2012-01-17 02:31:40 UTC
1) scan grav sites, no one will bother to scan you down to gank you one there are easier bot/miners to kill.

2) mining BS, way to meany HP to quiky gank in hi-sec and you only take a 40% cut.

3) move to a less populated area.

4) turn your bot off, stay alined at 1-3 mps, and stop ruining the market you ass.



So why do you want a super hi-sec capital sized miner? Oh right your bots. Roll

I wanted to paint my space ship red, but I couldn't find enough goats. 
Kievan Arakyd
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2012-01-17 07:56:38 UTC
Why not, people are already botting with Nyx's....

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