Missions & Complexes

BCs and BS will never be uncompetitive with HACs or faction cruisers as they currently stand. They don't compete with logistics, recons or HICs, just because of unique capabilities the T2 ships offer. T1 cruisers are mostly garbage jokeboats, regardless of isk.

Depends on the wh. I was in a C3 with 2 characters dual boxing solo for a long time. Got bored... 1 toon now incursions and the other is in a null corp pvping... maybe the corp I was in was just badly run, but I am having much more fun this way and meeting a lot more people.... MMO.. afterall..

1. Lock, F1
2. Goto 1.

Simpler than;
1. Lock, F1.
2. Spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam D-scan.
3. Goto 1.

And occasionally, die in a fire.

all this complains about incursions are indeed "the gras is greener on the other side" complains. Most T1 ships will not be devalued. T1 cruisers are, but they are crap anyway.

If incursions do the fund for PvP, then you can consider them good. More fluid ISK is resulting in more players able to risk the ships they fly. If you can afford to loose big ships the chance you risk them is much higher.

There are professions in EvE making more money then any incursion runner could ever do, so what's the deal with them?

I agree that incursions are needing a revamp though. Farming VG's cause they are more worth than bigger sites like HQ's/Assaults is completely stupid design. 100 mil/h is indeed too much for VG's, but it would be really OK for assaults/hg's (if you consider the huge ammount of organisation involved).

I'm sorry but whoever brings up the "point" about farming a site that's not supposed to be farmed is a complete and utter moron. I abuse the hell out of a lot of Lvl 4 missions instead of finishing them off cause they provide a ton of isk for a mission i really like.

I wont ever finish AE or GE right away cause i got a ton of loot and implants when i run them and i run them for 6 days straight.

Big ******* deal if you don't finish a site. It was never intended to be a MUST BE. It's an option so please stop the QQ about abusing a new form of making isk. If you are not ABUSING what is put in front of you, you just don't know how to make isk.

You have to wait 1 day per repeat though. That's effective income control.

In the event that you hadn't noticed, most items in game have risen dramatically in price since the introduction of incursions. The exception to this are navy faction LP store items, which strangely have remained the same or gone down despite tags quadrupling in price during this period. There is only one reasonable explanation for this I've come up with or heard anyone else claim, and that is the incursion farming is resulting in all this. The isk pours out of those blitz groups. I know, I've done a few myself.

The LP is a bit of a surprise, you would think they'd use it at the concord LP stores but as it turns out, demand for those items isn't as great as everyone thought it would be. So everyone just converts that stuff to their own faction's navy LP which in turn has completely collapsed LP markets. Given fewer people running normal missions and more people trying to off large quantities of LP, tags increased in price. You want numbers? Here's a few notable ones that I think properly reflect what has happened since incursions came out.

1) Imperial navy heavy energy neuts were valued at around 90M isk the day before incursions were introduced. It held steady at the 80-90M isk mark for no less than two years leading up to that point. Today they are worth 60M isk at best. The stats, similar mods, build requirements and demand have not altered. What has altered is the price to build them (now about twice what it was) and the number of people trying to sell them. 1 year ago today they were giving out around 2500 isk/LP, today it's under 500. This can be seen across virtually all empire faction LP store items. Pick an item, run the numbers, you'll see the same basic trend.

2) A plex cost 300M a year ago, it was steady at 250-300M for many years. Today they vary between 400-500M with a fair bit of flux. 450M seems to be the new normal point however. The obvious explanation here is the average player has more isk, thus driving down the value of isk compared to real currency (leave the snide remarks out, I agree 450M isk is worth $0, but making such comparisons is useful). Even compared to purely in game items, you see this effect though less pronounced. Almost anything that requires a player to input time has gone up in price. Even something as simple as an apoc has gone up from 70M to 90M over the past year and it isn't due to a shortage of miners or an increase in mineral demands.

All these things coincide with the introduction of incursions. It wasn't overnight of course, it took months for people to really master farming them. But we are at that super efficient farming point. And it is wrecking anything that isn't incursion farming. It is particularly damaging to the various LP stores as I've shown but they are more sensitive due to the fact that concord LP can be converted.

CCP, its economic expert and CSM have all agreed that price of PLEX is not related to amount if isk in the economy. Check latest CSM summit report, section about PLEX itself.

The increase in T1 ships prices is due to the wave of mass bot banning that went on around the same time. Speaking frankly, EVE's current economy has unsustainably low prices, thanks to botting. The modest price increase you're looking at the is the tip of iceberg of what would happen if CCP could actually reliably stop them. Without bots, you're looking double or triple the price on any T1 ship.

So you say all non-LP items increasing in price starting shortly after the introduction of incursions and the crashing of nearly every LP store at the same time is completely unrelated to incursions themselves. That's an interesting conclusion.

Bots are constantly getting banned, it's nothing new and CCP has not undergone any mass bannings since unholy rage (2 years ago). Your claim it's because of bot bannings is silly, not even CCP claims such a rosy fantasy.

LP store items not following the rest of market trends is entirely expected, incursion farmers make a crap load of LP which can be converted to any LP store they wish. Thus basically all there LP can be used to buy 5x run BPC's. As if that weren't enough, it's more of bonus income to them than a primary source. The isk is the main source of income from incursions, the LP is more like the 500 metal scraps lvl4 runners periodically sell off. So they aren't too worried about what's best or even sustaining LP values.

PLEX price manipulation was done a while back, however that manipulation is not ongoing. It was done once with enormous success, but prices should have adjusted by now. Instead we see a permanent upward climb and this was the case before said manipulation took place. That little episode just caused it to jump a little, but it would be this high anyways within a few months. The reason is partly a decrease in isk value and partly because suddenly high sec residents have enough income to actually afford them. Prior to incursions that was typically not the case, though some certainly could.

Edit: Nice ninja edit with the prices, they also don't dispute my statement. The navy caracal went down, as I said all LP store items have. The unpopular items for incursions stayed the same or dropped ever so slightly and the popular incursion stuff went up a little. Who woulda thunk it?