EVE General Discussion

SWTOR I fail to see how that caters to "entitlement". You can play the game for free, yes, but it is severely hindered by various things. IE: less tool bars you can use, which makes the game unplayable to me tbh. I think it also greatly regulates how many times you can play in warzones, flashpoints, raids etc. So it has it's limitations. I don't think that is necessarily catering to entitled people. What it's in fact doing is placing a carrot at the end of the stick. That carrot being, if you pay the subscription, you can play the full game. The subscription even brings in a monthly amount of cartel coins that you can spend in that market. So unless you really are impatient, and can't wait to save up those coins, you can indeed spend more money for cartel coins. Which I feel is okay. Nothing in that cartel store is anything you really need. I don't see your connection on catering to entitled players in regards to SWTOR.

Now let's go and compare this game to World of Tanks. Which you CAN play for free. I do play that game for free. I have not payed a cent for that game. I do pay for it in time though, because there is this portion of the game called a pay wall. Which if you are not familiar with that term is where, if you don't spend money in the game, you progress very slowly until you make it past this wall. People can choose to spend money or not. Maybe I'm different from other gamers, but when it comes to finding a game that I can enjoy, and play it for cheap, I'll play it. Many games that are subscription based I really don't play. Excluding this game. However I have drastically decreased how many subscriptions I have. I simply feel that this game is too expensive for what they give you. It's a ten year old game for crying out loud.

I feel like in order for this game to stay alive they need to remain competitive. You only do that by adding content, or lowering prices. CCP has done both. They have added some content, and they lowered subscriptions if payed in bulk. They are doing this not to cater to entitlements. They are doing this because they need to meet their overhead, and like many older games it becomes harder and harder for them to do, unless they make it enticing to all players to play. This game not only competes with other games, but it also competes with Netflix, Pandora, Spotify, etc. When I do my finances with wifey, I am personally held accountable for what I spend from our money, and I can only pick from what I really enjoy most. It's not because we're poor, it's because we simply just do not want to pay for too many subscriptions. What people like you guys are saying is, screw the overhead, we don't want the new players, because they will be entitled, non-quality players. You know, because having, and maintaining a budget at home makes people like me entitled, and non-quality. Go ahead and and try to shove your boot up my backside. Real world economics states that if Eve Online cannot adapt to find new players to rejuvinate it's overhead, Eve Online will eventually end. You shoving boots up people's backsides doesn't help the matter at all. In fact I bet you don't even have any good ideas that are worth mentioning.

TLDR; I'm lecturing some old guy. I'mMad

Exactly. This is your precious 'industry standard', the abuse of customers. A few exceptions to this standard don't make it a good model, nor does it make it one that would suit EVE. You're also trying to apply 'industry standard' to a game that is nowhere near industry standard.

I would say over time they will have to go free to play look at world of tanks how much cash they bring in compared to eve online big difference I enjoy the game but are not active due to friend gone awol .
at the end of the day business is business period and eve would benefit by the influx of new players , and as for the the old ones/players been playing for years may the force be with you

I would hardly call SWTOR industry standard.

A 13 year old subscription game going free to play?

It wouldn't be hard to see that as an act of desperation before the final nail is driven home. The gaming press, who like Eve for the most part because it makes great headlines, would crucify CCP.[/quote]

There is a paradox here.

If business was great and customers constantly stable, increasing or with predicted years of growth then there would be no need to rethink the business model. However, if through various reasons, the business model is showing that the future may not be stable and that the end is nigh, wouldn't that indicate that CCP needs to do something different, most likely on the more drastic side of the equation?

If something is dying and needs to adapt, telling it that if it changes it will die is a moot point. It's a bit of denial.

The gaming world today is vastly different than it was 13 years ago and the age of subs is clearly over...why kill eve if there is a chance to change its direction through a modified business model?

You make an excellent point, but not the one you think you've made.

If EVE goes F2P or not, it won't be up to anyone on this forum. All of these 'arguments' are useless without the data to show one way or the other the health of the game now, and what effect changing to an F2P model would have. Only CCP have that info, but anyone that's been here for more than a few minutes and understands well enough the core nature of EVE online knows that F2P would damage the game at its most fundamental level, that of its mechanics. Much of the game would have to change to implement the model, and how much would that cost? Did CCP just invest as much as they did in server upgrades because the company/game is unhealthy?

Of course they didn't. Here's the other problem.

F2P models rely on a very small number of people paying lots of money to keep the game afloat, aka 'whales'. Anyone that takes the game seriously enough now to be one such whale is going to bail if the game goes F2P though, so the game will have to attract new ones, which means getting new people with an actual interest and passion for EVE Online to play if CCP wants to turn some modicum of a profit. Unfortunately, the vast majority of people who play f2p games are extremely casual and fleeting. With the old guard gone, CCP are going to have a lot more work to do to attract said whales, than if they'd just paid more attention to people who have a real passion for this game and didn't do some of the stupid **** they've done in the first place to chase them off.

As noted above, CCP are still investing a lot of money in this game, and despite making some rather dumb moves, they haven't really done anything to EVE that looks like an act of desperation yet. They're nowhere near even considering an F2P model, but when they do, you can bet your bottom dollar that EVE will indeed be on its final legs.

F2P doesn't save games. In order to successfully implement a free to play model, you have to design the game itself with that model in mind. Or have a really popular IP on the box, like Star Wars (seriously, SWTOR only survived because it's star wars and we all know it. I quite enjoy it myself, but even I won't deny it's tacky and cheap implimentation and presentation throughout most of it).

This is perfect.
You read things with bias and don't recognize that you have bias ...
... and no matter what anyone would say ...
... you are stuck in your belief.

Then you pull a Hitler and talk about oppression ...
... not realizing that the only one here who tries to oppress discussion is you:
By whoring cheaply via "youmad" and "hemad" and grabbing attention ...
... distracting and driving away those who want to talk about the topic.

And people actually waste time talking to you...

You prove my points about certain people with your very own behaviour ...
... so please keep going.

lol. Defining Fascism and then describing your actions as sort of mirroring that sort of thing doesn't make me Hitler. Nice try. Then you are going on about how I'm proving your point about certain "non-quality" people. (I injected that part, because we shouldn't forget that you started the whole people quality control thing here in this thread.) To justify your own terrible behavior on the forums. Gotcha.

I replied but it was lost when the thread was temp-locked...throwing in the white towel as this place is ludicrousness....

Re-affirming the forum software is shite.