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Hrett
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#101 - 2012-01-15 04:54:43 UTC
Zarnak Wulf wrote:
I'd bet money that individual ship tweaking is next.


This.

Would really like it if they start with doing away with tier system in Cruisers. Then frigs, then BCs.

spaceship, Spaceship, SPACESHIP!
Kn1v3s 999
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#102 - 2012-01-15 07:55:48 UTC
They should stop buffing blasters and tweak the ships that are using em, that s the broken part.

I really dislike this and the AF buff as it is, not the right way to go imho. There are so many many things that needs a rework and they keep pushin for things that are already used enough (I.E. AF in low sec are very common)
Valea Silpha
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#103 - 2012-01-15 14:51:32 UTC
Whats interesting to me is that there seems to be two schools of thought on blasters:

1. 'Null is my standard ammo' - Seems to mostly be low-sec brawler types who appreciate the escapability of being out at more range.

2. 'Void is my standard ammo' - Seems to be constructed gang folks (ie flying with logis, ecm, command ships and similar). These folks are interested in blasters for overwhelming or at least much better dps that blasters can offer, and range is moot because you aren't gunna run away no matter what.

I'm squarely in camp 2, but I can totally understand camp 1's point of view. For us 2's this buff is irrelevent, and as such you shouldn't really care. Having said that I think 40% is too much for large blasters, particularly with rokh/naga optimal bonuses. Gets just a bit too much range to really be balanced IMHO. But at the same time I think that null should have a little more range on medium and smalls. It blows that even using the long range ammo you spend most of your time in scram range. So more range there... sure.. why not.

But that still won't stop me using void as my standard ammo. I didn't buy a proteus for its optimal Twisted
Tub Chil
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#104 - 2012-01-15 16:00:02 UTC
Instead of buffing Null range, why not buff blaster range?
Korg Tronix
Mole Station Nursery
#105 - 2012-01-15 16:03:02 UTC
Tub Chil wrote:
Instead of buffing Null range, why not buff blaster range?


Because we could do with not turning blasters into ****** lasers with more damage

Evil: If I were creating the world I wouldn't mess about with butterflies and daffodils. I would have started with lasers, eight o'clock, Day One! [zaps one of his minions accidentally, minion screams]
Hungry Eyes
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#106 - 2012-01-15 16:05:21 UTC
Kn1v3s 999 wrote:
They should stop buffing blasters and tweak the ships that are using em, that s the broken part.

I really dislike this and the AF buff as it is, not the right way to go imho. There are so many many things that needs a rework and they keep pushin for things that are already used enough (I.E. AF in low sec are very common)


you have no idea what youre talking about. imho.
Tub Chil
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#107 - 2012-01-15 17:14:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Tub Chil
Korg Tronix wrote:
Tub Chil wrote:
Instead of buffing Null range, why not buff blaster range?


Because we could do with not turning blasters into ****** lasers with more damage

Your assumption that I am offering 200% optimal buff is wrong
Kn1v3s 999
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#108 - 2012-01-16 08:15:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Kn1v3s 999
Hungry Eyes wrote:
Kn1v3s 999 wrote:
They should stop buffing blasters and tweak the ships that are using em, that s the broken part.

I really dislike this and the AF buff as it is, not the right way to go imho. There are so many many things that needs a rework and they keep pushin for things that are already used enough (I.E. AF in low sec are very common)


you have no idea what youre talking about. imho.



Step 1. Post with your main if you don t wanna to be taken as a (bad) troll
Step 2. Explain yourself, it s called discussion, you give your point i give you mine, thats how it works.
Step 3. Even with not great expierence like others, i have flown mostly Gallente hulls and mostly solo.
Step 4. I just think that buffing a claas ship that already have is niche (low-sec brawler) and is very used is just not the first step in a balancing plan. You should start with something clearly broken like EAF or tweak ship by ship (out of 24 frigates t1 having only 4-5 worth the effort to fly is sad, cruiser t1 need a rework especially on the Amarr side, Prophency, Eagle and so on)

All that being said, i'm happy they re working on the balancing aspect of the game, i just think then they re doing it wrong
Wacktopia
Fleet-Up.com
Keep It Simple Software Group
#109 - 2012-01-16 12:27:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Wacktopia
Goose99 wrote:
You can't fly a Diemost like Vaga when Vaga's 50 faster. What makes Winmatar win is a combination of speed and range, not just range. It can kill most things, whatever it can't kill, it can gtfo. At worst, you don't get a kill. But with Diemost, you just die.

And btw, null range, now with +15 of very little base range, is still very little, not even close to that of barrage or scorch.


I know you wuv Winmattar but hear me out on this...

Firstly, I agree with what you a saying about the Vaga but it does not mean the Deimos cannot be used like that at all. You should know that I was generally refering to Liang's championing of the Deimos vs Vagabond. Yes, the Deimos is slower but to 'fly it like a vaga' you just need to be faster than your target to be able to kite it. So, the Deimos can do this to fewer ships because it is slower but it does not mean it cannot be flown in this way at all. Granted, 1v1 the Vaga would be faster and can dictate range/run away but I am not making a comparison of these two ships fighting each other 1v1.

Please check my comparrison of Null Deimos vs Barrage Vagabond. As you can see, if the buff goes through then the Null damage projection is more like Barrage. Furthermore, at 20-24km range, where you are likely to want to be if you're maintaining a point, the Null Deimos outperforms the Vaga in damage.

I would certainly not describe Null as "not even close to that of barrage" in my above example. I would say that with it's epic falloff Barrage is better at range but the gap has closed. When compared to scorch, however, Null is still lacking somewhat.

Kitchen sink? Seriousy, get your ship together -  Fleet-Up.com
Wacktopia
Fleet-Up.com
Keep It Simple Software Group
#110 - 2012-01-16 12:51:47 UTC
Hungry Eyes wrote:
this basically shows that the Vaga and Deimos are useless ships (as they are now), and that the Mega still sucks in fleets. Roll


What? Useless for what? Pretty sure I see a fair number of Vaga's floating about.

Hungry Eyes wrote:
maybe if you crunch more numbers harder, you'll $hit out a proper hybrid buff , which you can then mail to CCP.


Yeah or maybe I could roam around the forums posting inane comments like this one?

Kitchen sink? Seriousy, get your ship together -  Fleet-Up.com
Takeshi Zakharov
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#111 - 2012-01-16 14:40:42 UTC
The general smugness from lowsec morons who think they are god's gift to EVE-Online because they kill idiots who come through their systems is astounding.
Hint: Your experiences do not reflect the general experiences of other PVPers or EVE pilots. Get over it. You are not special.
Naomi Knight
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#112 - 2012-01-16 15:54:16 UTC
Takeshi Zakharov wrote:
The general smugness from lowsec morons who think they are god's gift to EVE-Online because they kill idiots who come through their systems is astounding.
Hint: Your experiences do not reflect the general experiences of other PVPers or EVE pilots. Get over it. You are not special.

I've always found it funny they claim they are good in pvp , and somehow all they do is play all day and blob the solo -small gang pve /beginner pilots in their system.
Oh and they come with how good their battleclinic position/points which is greatly favours this kind of "pvp".
Aisha's Vengence
#113 - 2012-01-16 19:44:57 UTC
Takeshi Zakharov wrote:
The general smugness from lowsec morons who think they are god's gift to EVE-Online because they kill idiots who come through their systems is astounding.
Hint: Your experiences do not reflect the general experiences of other PVPers or EVE pilots. Get over it. You are not special.


*Puffs out her bird-like chest*

HEY BRO, COME OUT TO AMAMAKE AND FARM MY TEARS. I MUST BE SO BAD. I'LL MAKE FRAPS OF THE 10v1 where I am one and my 20 gangmates don't count because... stfu they don't count.

-Lang
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#114 - 2012-01-16 20:07:09 UTC
I do believe I am hearing the lamentations of their women. Thanks Aisha's Vengeance!

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Aisha's Vengence
#115 - 2012-01-16 21:30:58 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
I do believe I am hearing the lamentations of their women. Thanks Aisha's Vengeance!

-Liang


CFC has no women.