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The Investor
The Alabaster Albatross
Unreasonable Bastards
#1 - 2016-08-19 20:55:08 UTC  |  Edited by: The Investor
Preface: Supercarriers are underused by groups who cannot defend them. In a sense, if you can't field 5-6 of them, there's no point in having one because it's too easy to be countered. However it would be nice to bring them more into the mainstream, and part of the difficulty with them is their inability to dock and requiring a sitter 24/7.

I think CCP thought keepstars would be popping up all over the place, but the fact is that is just too cost prohibitive and it's not happening yet (tm).

In addition, groups with many superapitals have great ease in moving them because they can tether to Astrahus' while moving, so they just plunk down a chain of Astrahus' along their route and safely move their super fleet.

Proposed Changes:

1) Allow supercarriers (but NOT titans) to dock at Fortizars (note that this IS how it was originally on SISI before the citadel patch went live). This will make owning them and buying/selling them easier.
2) Disallow supercarriers and titans to tether at Astrahus'

This would allow more ease of use for supercarriers, and also prevent large groups from using Astrahus chains to move their supercapitals risk-free. If you want to plunk down a bunch of citadels to make a safe chain for travelling supercarriers it should require a Fortizar.
Kenrailae
Scrapyard Artificer's
Just Lizard
#2 - 2016-08-19 21:12:20 UTC
So just flew the the nearest Fortizar to see....


I like the concept on principal.... but the asset wasn't really designed to accommodate that size.


*insert when has CCP ever cared about size ratio's, I know*





Meh, as a whole, I kinda feel we should move past the age of having to do super/Titan trading in POS's in the middle of space.


The idea of committing a serious structure for super fleet security is nice though.



+1 on that basis.

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eVRiAL
Reveka.
Bad-Touch
#3 - 2016-08-19 21:46:00 UTC  |  Edited by: eVRiAL
I think inability to dock is very unappealing to play and stupid by design of early game. Supers should be allowed to dock in NPC, just let pilot charge 350m for supercapital size.
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#4 - 2016-08-19 21:53:23 UTC
Kenrailae wrote:

I like the concept on principal.... but the asset wasn't really designed to accommodate that size.

*insert when has CCP ever cared about size ratio's, I know*


FAX are bigger than supers, and can dock in astrahus. Size of the model has nothing to do with it. (Don't forget: fortizars are the size of manhattan)
Lugh Crow-Slave
#5 - 2016-08-19 22:08:39 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:

FAX ... can dock in astrahus.


wait what? since when

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Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#6 - 2016-08-19 22:21:57 UTC
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:

FAX ... can dock in astrahus.


wait what? since when



Urgh, I can't keep the damn things straight. They're bigger than supers and dock in fortizars/tether in astrahus no problem.

Machs are about the size of hels aren't they? Those dock in astrahus.
Kenrailae
Scrapyard Artificer's
Just Lizard
#7 - 2016-08-19 22:43:13 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
Kenrailae wrote:

I like the concept on principal.... but the asset wasn't really designed to accommodate that size.

*insert when has CCP ever cared about size ratio's, I know*


FAX are bigger than supers, and can dock in astrahus. Size of the model has nothing to do with it. (Don't forget: fortizars are the size of manhattan)





Yeah I know. Hence the *Insert when has CCP ever cared about Size ratio's* bit

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The Investor
The Alabaster Albatross
Unreasonable Bastards
#8 - 2016-08-20 00:16:30 UTC
Kenrailae wrote:


Yeah I know. Hence the *Insert when has CCP ever cared about Size ratio's* bit


lol Indeed.....I agree that it should make sense logically but that has never really been an issue with CCP, as people have mentioned. All I know is that when Supers could dock in Fortizars pre-citadel release, it was waaaaay easier and more fun to have and use them there.

Titans I think are a different story. They have a clone bay, they are like a station in and of themselves and shouldn't be able to dock. But for supers it would make it much more appealing to use and have them. The mechanics of exchanging them in POSes, having to completely sacrifice a character to own one, etc. get old really fast.
Kenrailae
Scrapyard Artificer's
Just Lizard
#9 - 2016-08-20 00:39:27 UTC
The Investor wrote:
Kenrailae wrote:


Yeah I know. Hence the *Insert when has CCP ever cared about Size ratio's* bit


lol Indeed.....I agree that it should make sense logically but that has never really been an issue with CCP, as people have mentioned. All I know is that when Supers could dock in Fortizars pre-citadel release, it was waaaaay easier and more fun to have and use them there.

Titans I think are a different story. They have a clone bay, they are like a station in and of themselves and shouldn't be able to dock. But for supers it would make it much more appealing to use and have them. The mechanics of exchanging them in POSes, having to completely sacrifice a character to own one, etc. get old really fast.

Of these difficulties I am acutely aware lol

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elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#10 - 2016-08-20 00:59:06 UTC
eVRiAL wrote:
I think inability to dock is very unappealing to play and stupid by design of early game. Supers should be allowed to dock in NPC, just let pilot charge 350m for supercapital size.


Hmm.. NPC station 50km long, aeon 10.8km long.. Sure the Tardis is bigger on the inside also.

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The Investor
The Alabaster Albatross
Unreasonable Bastards
#11 - 2016-08-20 17:59:51 UTC  |  Edited by: The Investor
elitatwo wrote:
eVRiAL wrote:
I think inability to dock is very unappealing to play and stupid by design of early game. Supers should be allowed to dock in NPC, just let pilot charge 350m for supercapital size.


Hmm.. NPC station 50km long, aeon 10.8km long.. Sure the Tardis is bigger on the inside also.


And giant containers have an assembled volume of 3000m3 but a capacity of 3900m3 lol

It is more about making the game fun than making it as anally accurate as possible.

However I am not sure about docking at NPC stations. That would undo the purpose of restricting tethering to Astrahus'. Supercarriers should require some significant infrastructure to move & dock IMO so Fortizars are a good level of commitment (14bil-ish) to have that ability. Whereas being able to dock at NPC stations would make travel too safe and easy IMO because you can cyno within docking range, and you wouldn't have to pay for an expensive structure to have that ability (i.e. that's too much safety with no liability). I think Fortizars are a good compromise in that respect.