EVE General Discussion

thank you. :)

Objectively not? Subjectively ... yeah, i agree with that wholeheartedly.

Proof:

When I went out there day in and day out, for months there was always someone there seeing me.
I wasn't active on the forums and /r/eve wasn't a thing to me at all, if it even was one at all.

Still, due to the former glory of Hek it was easy getting exposed to hundreds of people per day.

People see me.
People notice me.
People talk to me without insulting me.
People respect me for what i'm doing.

You know, public approval was extremely important for me.
And i had all i needed to get them on my side, too! :)

The visibility, the theme/topic most agree with and the behaviour to make noise.

I've received around four billion isk in money and ships over a few months not counting free stuff. I didn't plex my account, but back then the plex was much cheaper than now.

People gave me ships for free when i asked around in local.
People helped me drive gate gankers out of Hek.
People asked me to fight them, because it was fun bouncing around getting shot at.

i was reckless! :) With three dozen bookmarks around the station my thrasher never killed anyone serious ...
... but i scared off battleships, battlecruisers from the station when they dared engaging me. :)

back then we didn't have a "lawfull behaviour" limited engagement timer of five minutes ...
... back then i had full fifteen minutes of time to keep his sorry ass docked at the station.

And i am NOT exaggerating! :)


My point is not to brag. Public recognition important ...
... and will only work if you give them something they will respect.

Being outside as -10 on a crowded undock gains you that respect.

When people "love" you, they have something to talk about; care about you; log in because you provide entertainment; etc.

I can assure you that there is objectively spoken nothing wrong with playing a suicide ganker my way.
You might not like it, but all in all is it a more beneficial and challenging (if you're into ot) way to play it.

It causes immersion and gives the people a sense of community.

And it's less boring than sitting in space.
I really loved bouncing around playing with locals. :)


And only less than a handfull of all ganked ever complained about me, because of my first rule:


Don't gank miners!


Which also was enough of proof (clean killboard) for many (!) to make them understand that i am trustworthy. :)


So, to get back again to what you said, regarding "objectively an idiot":

Are you sure about that? it rather looks like you just prove me right with what i wrote in the op.
Maybe you indeed are selfish, uncreative and too spoiled by the pseudo "authority" that you think you possess.



I enjoyed this. Thank you so much! :)

Actually, CODE. used to get pretty pissed off with Sol, who was one of the first to start killing the wrecks.

Sol was doing that long before the AG crowd realised it; and it was pat of Sol's play to not dock up. Nothing wrong with either approach.

At least the "go feck yourself" guy was coherent.

I can source that.

It's not conjecture or reasoning for me, it's history. When it became better not to fight than to fight for whatever reason, people dug in and quit fighting, and things got seriously boring and grindy in other sandbox games.

First one: Tiny turn-based indie clone of a small browser MMO very loosely based on Matt Burch's Escape Velocity. Heavy emphasis on faction warfare. Once the player base stagnated and we knew who the teams were always going to be-population and player turnover had dropped below critical mass. An iteration of it is actually still functional, because it was mostly a small, cheap spare-time project. When planetary assault was (badly!) implemented, it turned into a farming contest because individual players weren't very relevant in that kind of a fight, and we'd figured out how to use the game's mechanics to be basically immune to interruption while farming. Later iterations never recovered, but that was due at least as much to the landscape of gaming as the game itself and our ineptitude at marketing.

Second one: Semi-turn-based browser game, somewhat more complex and fleshed out. In its early days, it was a lot like EVE with a lot of diversity of groups. The small groups eventually turned into big groups, which formed roughly around the factions. It devolved into faction-warfare-based achievement hunting which required large-scale efforts to do things like bash in border outposts and attack starbases. Between wars, you'd have a few pirates poking things, but most of the stuff players do between wars is grind out what was lot in the war. By the time I'd left this one, players had figured out there was no advantage to setting up shop in the game's riskier neutral zone, so they walled themselves into the faction cores, making themselves mostly immune (fuel mechanic meant the walls would occasionally turn off and leak) to anything short of a large-scale invasion. Power creep meant pirates had a seriously hard time being anything but an easy target to even a solo combat ship, so even the most determined of independent pirates ended up getting sponsored. There was a private war mechanic to sort out disputes among alliances in the factions, but it fell into disuse because in-game activities revolved around preparing for and prosecuting the next faction war.

Other patterns were common too: if you didn't engage the community, you tended not to stick around very long.

I did a quite more than just that before others "realized". ^_^
Thank you for your post!

GC here pretty much admitted that he has no response whatsoever,
because he's completely full of himself and doesn't care about anyone.
It's like rich people thinking they're above those who aren't spoiled and actually work for what they do.

And lol Khergit, I triggered you! SOOO insecure! LOL


This made my day, thanks guys! :D


Anyway, the point is that as actual content creators you're not doing much of a good job.

People who don't care don't care and that's fine for everyone including me ...
... but pretending it's somehow good gameplay, leet, or hard to do (using a scout? lol) works only in your minds.

You're wrong about me. I care about the carebears, I do.

I care about their modulated strip miners, I care about their Elara mining laser upgrades, and I especially care about their frozen corpses (it's the first thing I loot).

LOL Sol, that post was actually just a little riff/send up on your 'public approval' post. I guess I didn't do it right. :]
Peace on Earth. Purity of Essence. Peace among Toasters. Peace or Unpeace Ingame.

Hey! Glad you're back! Your absence was noticed. ^_^


Yes, not disagreeing. Of course they are happy being left alone, but that has zero value.

It is absolutely irrelevant what they want in this game ...
... if it goes against the rules and laws of the game.

The reason is simply that they want to deny those the gameplay that is allowed based on said rules and laws ...
... while actually not caring about them at all. It's just MY GAME and not about anyone else or how the game works.

So, even if people want to be left alone, there is no "i play how i want"-argument,
especially not when it goes against the game itself.

If you can defend yourself, fight back or actively avoid interaction... that's great!
If you claim you have rights to play how you want ...
... meaning it jeapardizes the rights of those who actually play by the rules ...
... then you should just fook for a different game!



Again. Totally fine and not really relevant to the topic ...
... until they start ignoring how the game works and try to harm those who play by the rules and laws.


I don't see what you mean by "force". If you mean that there's too much peace and lack o' peace would be "forced" onto people then you need to reread my first paragraph.


This is not a game of equal rights. People have no rights unless they can defend them or enforce them.
That IS the game, even though ignorant masses conceal this fact from highsec really well.

Honestly, your perspective is backwards.

It's like saying bankers need more power over the economy because it's broken ...
... ignoring that bankers broke it in the first place.

Instead of continuously catering and looking after those who rip us off all the time ...
... by demanding benefits that ruin it for the rest of us.

You should see my other post about ehy "i play how i want" is bullshit.

i had a feeling ye two would either get on real well or we would be picking hair and teeth up out of threads for weeks.

did not expect a pillow fight.