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Taxing Compression Use in Citadels?
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PaToBoB PaToBoBians
Militaris Industries
Northern Coalition.
#1 - 2016-08-09 17:35:53 UTC
I know I know this was a topic that was brought up before but I havent seen them come to a definite reason NOT to be a thing.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6465120

There are a lot of good points made to place in a compression tax in this post.

From a personal perspective, I have a citadel in a system that is very populated where people dont use it to reprocess service at all but to compress their ore only and then fly away without leaving a dime but I have to pay for the fuel to keep up the services. When it comes to the POS argument, how many people actually carry around a small POS just to compress their ore? The fee that they would have to pay to keep their POS up would be less or equal to the little taxes they would have to pay for compression it in a citadel. Also there wont be anymore POSs within the next year so people kind of will be dependent on citadels for compression. This will just spark new content since people will be fighting over which citadel to use/how many there will be in a system. Sure CCP did announce a industrial citadel but how would that help?
Cap James Tkirk
TEMPLAR.
The Initiative.
#2 - 2016-08-09 18:21:46 UTC
remove the compression service or put a docking fee, if that is at all possible.
PaToBoB PaToBoBians
Militaris Industries
Northern Coalition.
#3 - 2016-08-09 20:02:44 UTC
Cap James Tkirk wrote:
remove the compression service or put a docking fee, if that is at all possible.


Unfortunately, neither of the two are available to do
Marcus Tedric
Zebra Corp
Goonswarm Federation
#4 - 2016-08-09 21:53:43 UTC
PaToBoB PaToBoBians wrote:
Cap James Tkirk wrote:
remove the compression service or put a docking fee, if that is at all possible.


Unfortunately, neither of the two are available to do


You can charge a Docking Fee - I'm sure you can. (And will check tmw, but bed calls......)

Don't soil your panties, you guys made a good point, we'll look at the numbers again. - CCP Ytterbium
Cap James Tkirk
TEMPLAR.
The Initiative.
#5 - 2016-08-10 12:35:16 UTC
PaToBoB PaToBoBians wrote:
Cap James Tkirk wrote:
remove the compression service or put a docking fee, if that is at all possible.


Unfortunately, neither of the two are available to do



You can remove the compression service IE turn it off, i mean you put this up in hopes of getting free iskies for a service that you do not have to offer and miners/industrialists do not have to use since so many citadels are offering the service for free.


Please give a reason one should pay to use your service when others are offering the same thing for free?
Careby
#6 - 2016-08-10 17:27:55 UTC
Cap James Tkirk wrote:
You can remove the compression service IE turn it off, i mean you put this up in hopes of getting free iskies for a service that you do not have to offer and miners/industrialists do not have to use since so many citadels are offering the service for free.


Please give a reason one should pay to use your service when others are offering the same thing for free?


You can't turn off free compression without also turning off reprocessing.

Whether a structure owner desires to provide free services is not really the issue. Assuming miners do not wish to transport raw, uncompressed ore, they either have to compress or reprocess. These two actions are in direct competition, and both add value and require significant investment and fuel. So why is there a mechanism that allows profit (or, more likely, partial reimbursement of fuel costs) attached to one, while at the same time making the other always available for free?

My opinion is that structure owners should have the flexibility to offer each service for free, for payment, or not at all, as they prefer.
Saleani Tsolyani
Bey Su
#7 - 2016-08-11 01:10:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Saleani Tsolyani
You've identified why I bailed out of this business plan. The compression and reprocessing mechanisms are done with the same array and a dev post said that they decided not to allow them to be taxable. My plan had been to set up small citadels with just compression/reprocessing in systems that have lots of belts with no NPC stations.

As it is now, I'll just use other folks citadels and tip them fuel blocks.
orionbeta
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2016-08-11 19:21:50 UTC
Maybe charge a small docking fee? Seed them as you said however put under your corp desc about how they could pay a small fee for monthly access and use the free refine and compress. You would probably have to use an alt corp and char but it would be do-able? I am not sure if players would use it though. I know if said citidals had a 54% rate for refine I would pay the fee. Also, maybe charge next to nothing for a corp office. See if you can entice new corps to use the citidals as there home hq. I know the biggest thing I am waiting for is the manufacting array or whatever it will be called. That, if it has the ablity to also research and copy prints will be the best for me.

Fly Safe,
Orion
Toobo
Project Fruit House
#9 - 2016-08-12 01:24:51 UTC
Just as a matter of principle, I support the idea because the owner of the structure should be able to decide what to do with their structure, and whether to charge for services or not, and how much. I bet there will still be loads of free compression services around, but it doesn't make sense that there is no option to control this although it's your own structure.

Cheers Love! The cavalry's here!
Cap James Tkirk
TEMPLAR.
The Initiative.
#10 - 2016-08-12 11:36:03 UTC
I have yet to play with citadels and now knowing that you cannot have the compression off without turning off the refining is kind of crap for the owner.

Best of luck guys.
PaToBoB PaToBoBians
Militaris Industries
Northern Coalition.
#11 - 2016-08-13 16:06:35 UTC
Cap James Tkirk wrote:
PaToBoB PaToBoBians wrote:
Cap James Tkirk wrote:
remove the compression service or put a docking fee, if that is at all possible.


Unfortunately, neither of the two are available to do



You can remove the compression service IE turn it off, i mean you put this up in hopes of getting free iskies for a service that you do not have to offer and miners/industrialists do not have to use since so many citadels are offering the service for free.


Please give a reason one should pay to use your service when others are offering the same thing for free?



Say I have a citadel in null and its the only one in the system where everyone mines and from there they compress it and send it out for shipping, is that a valid reason?