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Players shared personal lockers/hangars
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Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#1 - 2016-08-08 14:32:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Cearain
It would be nice if I could have a personal locker in a station or a citadel that I could share with other individuals of my choosing.

This is somewhat allowed at the corp level so corp directors can give access to certain players but the majority of players have no such ability.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#2 - 2016-08-08 15:11:22 UTC
Thats a selling point of being in a player corp over an NPC corp.
Solecist Project
#3 - 2016-08-08 15:13:25 UTC
They have no such ability, because they don't form a corp.
If they have friends to share things with, they should join to form a corp.

Alternatively 0-isk-contracts can be used to share things amongst currently offline players.


You want people to have certain benefits of a player-corp ...
... while also having the benefits of being safe in npc-corp.

It would be a stepping stone towards the next "request" ...
... which again would ask for corp-benefits from inside npc-corp.

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Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#4 - 2016-08-08 16:29:09 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Thats a selling point of being in a player corp over an NPC corp.


I don't think player corps allow for quite this amount of flexibility. As I understand it (and I could be wrong) Directors have access to all corp hangars. Individual corp members have no ability to share things with each other unless they also want to share those items with everyone who might become a corp director or others who corp directors might decide to give access to their stuff.

I am fine if this ability to use personal hangars/lockers would only apply if you were in a player corp and not an npc corp. It has nothing to do with npc versus player corps. It just has to do with convenience.


Solecist Project wrote:
They have no such ability, because they don't form a corp.
If they have friends to share things with, they should join to form a corp.


Lots of people play this game and join corps with large numbers of people they don't know. So they may trust people different than the current corp leaders trust people.

Solecist Project wrote:

Alternatively 0-isk-contracts can be used to share things amongst currently offline players.


If you have a corp with nothing but your own alts (or people you entirely trust) that is fine. But it doesn't work if you are in a large corp with people you trust to varying degrees.

Solecist Project wrote:

You want people to have certain benefits of a player-corp ...
... while also having the benefits of being safe in npc-corp.

It would be a stepping stone towards the next "request" ...
... which again would ask for corp-benefits from inside npc-corp.


This has nothing to do with the npc versus player character corps. As far as I care ccp could limit this ability to those who are in a player corp. It's just inconvenient to share stuff with others of your choosing when you are in a corp with other actual people.


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Shallanna Yassavi
qwertz corp
#5 - 2016-08-08 16:42:04 UTC
Corp hangar + password-protected audit log secure container.
Share password with other people you want to allow into the container.

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Elenahina
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2016-08-08 16:57:41 UTC
So basically, you have a group of people in your corp you want to share things with, but you don't trust the rest of the corp not to take them.

Why are you in that corp again?

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Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#7 - 2016-08-08 17:09:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Cearain
Shallanna Yassavi wrote:
Corp hangar + password-protected audit log secure container.
Share password with other people you want to allow into the container.



Thanks this is a good idea, that I hadn't considered. But, can someone who doesn't have the password just remove the entire container?

Elenahina wrote:
So basically, you have a group of people in your corp you want to share things with, but you don't trust the rest of the corp not to take them.

Why are you in that corp again?



Roll

I shouldn't join a corp unless I trust everyone in the corp exactly the same amount?

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Elenahina
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2016-08-08 17:13:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Elenahina
Cearain wrote:
Shallanna Yassavi wrote:
Corp hangar + password-protected audit log secure container.
Share password with other people you want to allow into the container.



Thanks this is a good idea, that I hadn't considered. But, can someone who doesn't have the password just remove the entire container?

Elenahina wrote:
So basically, you have a group of people in your corp you want to share things with, but you don't trust the rest of the corp not to take them.

Why are you in that corp again?



Roll

I shouldn't join a corp unless I trust everyone in the corp exactly the same amount?


No, but if there are members you actively distrust enough that you don't feel comfortable using shared corp resources, then I would question my reasons for belonging to said corp.

Also, yes, anyone who has take permissions on that folder can take the container. They can't open it, so it doesn't do them a lot of good, but they can take it.

Edit: Although once it's in their personal hangar they may be able to repackage it. I don't think that requires the password, since anything in your hangar is yours as far as the game is concerned.

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Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#9 - 2016-08-08 17:43:11 UTC
Elenahina wrote:
Cearain wrote:
Shallanna Yassavi wrote:
Corp hangar + password-protected audit log secure container.
Share password with other people you want to allow into the container.



Thanks this is a good idea, that I hadn't considered. But, can someone who doesn't have the password just remove the entire container?

Elenahina wrote:
So basically, you have a group of people in your corp you want to share things with, but you don't trust the rest of the corp not to take them.

Why are you in that corp again?



Roll

I shouldn't join a corp unless I trust everyone in the corp exactly the same amount?


No, but if there are members you actively distrust enough that you don't feel comfortable using shared corp resources, then I would question my reasons for belonging to said corp.

Also, yes, anyone who has take permissions on that folder can take the container. They can't open it, so it doesn't do them a lot of good, but they can take it.

Edit: Although once it's in their personal hangar they may be able to repackage it. I don't think that requires the password, since anything in your hangar is yours as far as the game is concerned.


When they repackage it, will the contents then become theirs or will they be destroyed? If it becomes theirs then that work around is of no value. If it destroys the items then the work around works to some extent although not great. Corp theives can still do damage but not get advantages.

Allowing characters to access certain personal hangars seems an obvious way to make the game more convenient.

I am talking about sharing personal stuff with certain other people not necessarily "corp assets." And of course there are characters in corps I trust more and less than others. For people who are not directors the only options are to trust all the directors (and anyone the directors may decide to allow to access the hangars), or trust no one.



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Elenahina
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2016-08-08 17:49:38 UTC
Cearain wrote:


When they repackage it, will the contents then become theirs or will they be destroyed? If it becomes theirs then that work around is of no value. If it destroys the items then the work around works to some extent although not great. Corp theives can still do damage but not get advantages.

It does not destroy them.
It dumps the contents in the appropriate hangar (ships or items) depending on what it is.

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Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#11 - 2016-08-08 19:31:56 UTC
Elenahina wrote:
Cearain wrote:


When they repackage it, will the contents then become theirs or will they be destroyed? If it becomes theirs then that work around is of no value. If it destroys the items then the work around works to some extent although not great. Corp theives can still do damage but not get advantages.

It does not destroy them.
It dumps the contents in the appropriate hangar (ships or items) depending on what it is.


Thanks for the info.

So that defeats the purpose here.

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Solecist Project
#12 - 2016-08-08 19:43:23 UTC
You're right.

There should be a system that allows something similar to your proposal.


+1

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Tabyll Altol
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2016-08-09 08:20:13 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Thats a selling point of being in a player corp over an NPC corp.


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Echo Mande
#14 - 2016-08-09 23:21:50 UTC
+1

I could see this being very useful, especially if you could put ships in there and even more so if the access control list could have people from more than one corp/alliance on it.

One good use for this could be the sharing of an Orca between two people's alts but not the rest of the corp for a standing mining fleet. Or for that matter the sharing of a bunch of ships by one person's alts even if said alts aren't in the same corp.

Pushing this idea even further and allowing corps or ACLs/roles to be put in the ACL, this could be the basis of the complete corp hangar overhaul that Eve has IMO needed for years.

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