Crime & Punishment

If it wasn't for constant wardecs and negative sec status, I'd totally be headshotting motherships.

I love the incursion runners crying about being introduced to PvP, it's hilarious~

Income denial is PvP.

Not true.
90m/hr in anoms requires something like a Mach with fighter support, you can't do it in a T1 ship. If you want more than that you need to dualbox (which is much more demanding than dualboxing highsec Incursions mind you). In a T1 ship you'll be making way less. Furthermore anoms get much more heavily contested than Incursions do.

I used to rat in 0.0, but I would never go back to that unless anoms / Incursions get changed. I lived in a C6 with a static C5 and over time people in my corp basically stopped farming there because Incrusions were both easier and better ISK.

If you run sites with caps in your home system then the raw ISK / hr is better, but that's kind of an irrelevant figure because those sites:
1) spawn at an incredibly low rate compared to Incursions
2) only support about 6 people

If you want to farm sites in your static you need to first roll it until you get a good system which a) can take a while and b) people might not want you to, especially if you have a highsec route up. Then you need to scan all the sites before you can run them. Before you can do any of that you need to already have a fleet formed, which takes longer than in k-space because WHs do not support as many people as Incursions do (so there will never be as many around). When you're actually running sites in subcaps, Tengus for example, the ISK is slightly better than highsec Incursion, about the same as a low / null Incursion. Then you need to salvage the ****, and eventually haul it to highsec and then get it to sell.

It's a ton more work than Incursions, both to get started and once you're actually doing it. The rewards are not worth it (though there are of course other reasons to live in WHs than just ISK).

Your not supposed to NEED that 'tiny' investment, that is the elitism of the people who control the Incursions currently causing that requirement.

You shouldn't 'NEED' anything more than some friends to run the sites.

edit: I'm dumb, and can't tell NPCs from player representatives to iceland.

Moar people doing cap escaltions in C5's please, its almost impossible to find cap ships to kill these days -_-

So, does it require that investment, or does it not? In this pyramid of quotes, I have you on record saying both.

Pick one.

Ah, well, if thats the case, its completely true of every form of income. Sadly, at a given level of investment, incursions pay out more than any other form of income(other than maybe tech moons, which are not a personal form of income)

If you do it in T1s, you will need some RR on the T1s to back up the logis. There's the biggest difference I have observed. A T2/Faction will have better resists or if pimped, simple be more resistant to the incoming damage.

So with a T1 fleet, the logis are stretched, and some of the orbiting BS will have to cut DPS for RR because it seems like there is a cyclic "kill the logi" directive in the AI. With cut DPS, the enemy is not take out fast enough, and there will be these little surges of damage on the logi that, if not prepared for, will take the logi down rapidly. To keep that from happening you have to cut DPS for RR, meaning it will take longer, and more chances the logi goes down - a self influencing matter.

But it's still possible with T1s and some logis. You need shineys if you are going to do "bait ball RR" methods, kill primary, and chat on Facebook at the same time. T1s only require that the FC and captains be more on their guard, keep an eye on the logi, and pay good attention to the "aggro fu" and especially and "small fast threats". It's just more work, which of course is something that people take pride in not having to do around here.

The assumption that people want incursions or other bear farming activities nerfed for the purpose of bringing those people to low sec is pathetic.

We just want tears and a balanced game.