Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Surely if we can be completely undetectable, we can create a holographic images and falsify information to scanners?

Lying in wait.

Cloak allows you to look like an asteroid, be targeted and "mined". You can then shoot back at the miner.

Dodging the bullet.

For 5 seconds after coming through a gate and after jump cloak wear off your industrial appears to be a battle cruiser, including warping.

Hiding in plain site.

Mining barges can equip this to their mid-slot to look like an asteroid while mining. Lasers give you away but if you turn them off when someone comes along .then they have to spot the slowly moving one that is going to warp.

In general

Edit: Talking about this with a friend, they suggested that normal cloaks should have a penalty. I think I agree with the idea. All cloaks, including this one should have some sort of cap penalty. Perhaps recharge set to 0 so that they slowly run out of power and have to de-cloak?

Very creative. Miners are kinda easy targets already, the game feels like they are tolerated as a necessary evil.

What I mean, with local chat selling their presence at a glance, a ganker just has to see them in local to know a juicy exhumer is ready to be popped.

They should automate the indy stuff if the game makes them such easy targets for everyone else.

You are still visible, only camouflaged.
You can be targeted manually.
You still appear on Local.
Would still appear on overview only that you would be labelled as an asteroid. So broadcast works.
Can only be used on mining barges.
Covetors only have one mid slot so they chose between some tank, an asteroid scanner or this.

This was in Homeworld Cataclysm I believe, I think it would be interesting for sure. +1

I am still considering the ramifications of that. I think personally, I would like to see Hulks getting enough tank for either Concord or corp / alliance members to come to their rescue and escalate the PVP.

Edit: Would like to add that, I would like to see this coupled with the idea to make lock times slower for each additional enemy locking the same target.

That's not a draw back, neither is taking up a slot, every mod does that.

CovOps ships come pre -gimped to be able to fit a Cov-Ops cloak, any other ships takes a hit on targeting time and scan res to fit one of the other cloaks.. further that's just when their not even active. Any ship with fitted with a cloak that is active can do very little.

Speaking of which you could fit a normal cloak on a mining ship just like anyone else. Targeting delay doesn't really effect you, rocks don't run (well unless your idea was implemented), you would of course take a big cut in the rate that you were mining, but there's going to be some cost.

Wouldn't be against CovOps mining ships, perhaps built around Gas Harvesting. Of course just like all the other CovOps ships they would need to be weaker than non cloaked options.

I am quoting myself here to make a point. Mining is not PvP.

In fact, miners are unbalanced in PvP terms. A much less expensive ship can take out a mining ship way too easily.

Most mining ships have no means to fight back, effectively, without compromising mining.

Brace yourself, this next part is hard for many:

EVE is not just a PVP game. It has many other aspects.

If mining ships done properly are to be this lacking in offense, then they deserve a better than average defense. Mining ships are not undocking for the joy of being targets, they have a job to do.

Compromising this just so PVP enthusiasts can have easy targets is a cheap tactic, and needs to be reconsidered.

Actually while it may not be combat PvP, mining is PvP. Your own quote backs up the fact that all PvE in a game like EVE is a contributing factor in combat PvP, and therefore a form player competition aka PvP itself.

Let me explain:

There isn't an infinite demand for minerals so when you mine you are competing with other players trying to sell those same resources.

While there isn't some law of EVE that a more expensive ship must be better in every way to a less expensive ship, it's definitely true that ISK gains you more power in PvP. The more ISK you have the more easily you can afford to use better PvP ships fitted with better more pimped mods, all of which gives you an advantage in PvP. In terms of wars it's a huge factor.

Mining along with all forms of PvE in EVE generate player wealth in resources and ISK, which fuels PvP combat warfare.

So, put altoegther it boggles the mind, that some players think that PvE which has a critical impact on combat PvP and Wars should itself be excluded from being impacted by combat PvP and wars. Which is why you will see me posting all over these forums that all significant PvE that brings ISK or resources into the game should be conducted outside the protection of Concord.

If you want PvE that is completely free from PvP, then it needs to also be completely free from any form of competition between players and have 0 impact on the rest of the game.

Oh, that was delightful! Not relevant to what I said, at heart, but quite charming.

I believe you said blowing up miners makes resources more scarce, thereby ensuring competition.

Actually, that creates an obstacle to competition, in that it reduces the flow of goods to market. Economic competition uses far less drastic measures, in terms of violence at least. Let the price wars start, and watch prices drop across the board.

What you advocated was comparable to invading ground armies should kill farmers, since it would then increase the value of their rations they carry with them. It really falls flat if you know the system enough to see these flaws.

No, what I am endorsing is not immunity from destruction, but something so players who are NOT afk can reliably avoid awarding killmails to little weasels who like it when their victims cannot fight back.



Serious miners use barges or exhumers. Anything that mounts a weapon instead of a mining tool would compromise mining, since it is an extreme time issue compared to PvP or other pursuits.

Add to that the mining ships aren't meant for combat, and that is aspect 1

Aspect 2, using a BS, or other combat ship to mine with. Assuming this can be made practical, which makes no sense, combat ships just are not cut out for this, as it makes the time involved increase dramatically just to get the same results.

Again, my point is that attentive players should be able to mine in safety, if not convenience, knowing they can get out of trouble reliably.

You can pop those AFK suckers all day long, that's different.