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Every year, there are less users playing, why??

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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#761 - 2016-08-02 08:43:34 UTC
Teckos Pech wrote:
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:
Were they doing things like not using a scout. Autopiloting? No webber? No escort at all?

TBH I only saw a few groups... but 2 of them did not use scouts, and the third used a *very* expensively fit tengu to scout... He did manage to get his orca through with that one - but we still got 4 billion isk in loot from the tengu escort, so we were happy lol.

Idiocy is not limited to high-sec in EVE - it is universe-wide.


Absolutely. But I would argue we tend to see more complaints coming from HS people than LS/NS (AFK cloaking aside, and even then seems to me the complainers there are often renters).


As I pointed out earlier its all about mechanics which aid the gankers, CCP just needs to do a balance pass.

1. More consequences for ganking as laid out by me and others in previous locked threads, most notably lock out of NPC Stations in hisec.

2. Look at the loot scooping and adjust for consequences

3. implement the bumping mechanic FFS

4. Grade in the EHP wreck to 15,000 so the emrgent gameplay around ganking wrecks is not destroyed outright

That is the idiocy in plain view of many players.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Geronimo McVain
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#762 - 2016-08-02 08:56:30 UTC
To get back on topic:
Would you allow CCP to scan your computer to see which other games you are playing ( with the option to correct the list) ? Or would you like a poll where you choose the games? This would make it easier for CCP to acquire new players, cause they know where to place ads.I could imagine that players that are playing for example Dark Souls or Civ are more likely to play EVE then people playing Sims.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#763 - 2016-08-02 08:58:53 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:
Were they doing things like not using a scout. Autopiloting? No webber? No escort at all?

TBH I only saw a few groups... but 2 of them did not use scouts, and the third used a *very* expensively fit tengu to scout... He did manage to get his orca through with that one - but we still got 4 billion isk in loot from the tengu escort, so we were happy lol.

Idiocy is not limited to high-sec in EVE - it is universe-wide.


Absolutely. But I would argue we tend to see more complaints coming from HS people than LS/NS (AFK cloaking aside, and even then seems to me the complainers there are often renters).


As I pointed out earlier its all about mechanics which aid the gankers, CCP just needs to do a balance pass.

1. More consequences for ganking as laid out by me and others in previous locked threads, most notably lock out of NPC Stations in hisec.

2. Look at the loot scooping and adjust for consequences

3. implement the bumping mechanic FFS

4. Grade in the EHP wreck to 15,000 so the emrgent gameplay around ganking wrecks is not destroyed outright

That is the idiocy in plain view of many players.


What you just demanded is the near removal of ganking, thats not balance.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#764 - 2016-08-02 09:03:01 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:
Were they doing things like not using a scout. Autopiloting? No webber? No escort at all?

TBH I only saw a few groups... but 2 of them did not use scouts, and the third used a *very* expensively fit tengu to scout... He did manage to get his orca through with that one - but we still got 4 billion isk in loot from the tengu escort, so we were happy lol.

Idiocy is not limited to high-sec in EVE - it is universe-wide.


Absolutely. But I would argue we tend to see more complaints coming from HS people than LS/NS (AFK cloaking aside, and even then seems to me the complainers there are often renters).


As I pointed out earlier its all about mechanics which aid the gankers, CCP just needs to do a balance pass.

1. More consequences for ganking as laid out by me and others in previous locked threads, most notably lock out of NPC Stations in hisec.

2. Look at the loot scooping and adjust for consequences

3. implement the bumping mechanic FFS

4. Grade in the EHP wreck to 15,000 so the emrgent gameplay around ganking wrecks is not destroyed outright

That is the idiocy in plain view of many players.


What you just demanded is the near removal of ganking, thats not balance.


Rubbish, it makes it a bit harder that is all, it creates consequences, like other people in the game have mate.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#765 - 2016-08-02 09:08:26 UTC
Geronimo McVain wrote:
To get back on topic:
Would you allow CCP to scan your computer to see which other games you are playing ( with the option to correct the list) ? Or would you like a poll where you choose the games? This would make it easier for CCP to acquire new players, cause they know where to place ads.I could imagine that players that are playing for example Dark Souls or Civ are more likely to play EVE then people playing Sims.

Hell no, im pretty sure the last thing you want is your wife trying to act like your girlfriend,
thatd be upsetting on soo many levels.

Same thing with eve... Sort of.

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#766 - 2016-08-02 09:12:46 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:

Rubbish, it makes it a bit harder that is all, it creates consequences, like other people in the game have mate.


Yes it makes it harder by making it near impossible.

Tell me, what other activity in highsec has the same level of punishments as ganking?
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#767 - 2016-08-02 09:26:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
baltec1 wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:

Rubbish, it makes it a bit harder that is all, it creates consequences, like other people in the game have mate.


Yes it makes it harder by making it near impossible.

Tell me, what other activity in highsec has the same level of punishments as ganking?


Hauling...

NB Actually worse than ganking in terms of punishment...

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#768 - 2016-08-02 09:33:41 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:


Hauling...

NB Actually worse than ganking in terms of punishment...


So they lose sec status when they complete a run? They lose their ship after every attempt to transport cargo? They get a kill right against them after every attempt at transporting cargo? They get no insurance when they die? They get attacked by the faction police? At the end of of their cargo run every stack and all their mods stand a 50% chance of being destroyed?

No, the real risk to hauling is infact only from the very very rare chance they get targeted by a ganker. So rare infact that over the span of over a million gate jumps they stand a less than 0.01% chance of getting killed by a ganker. Try again.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#769 - 2016-08-02 09:34:28 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:

Rubbish, it makes it a bit harder that is all, it creates consequences, like other people in the game have mate.


Yes it makes it harder by making it near impossible.

Tell me, what other activity in highsec has the same level of punishments as ganking?

I dunno. Maybe that one with the same effects on other players? I'm talking about .... hm ....

OOps.... Shocked

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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#770 - 2016-08-02 09:36:39 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:


Hauling...

NB Actually worse than ganking in terms of punishment...


So they lose sec status when they complete a run? They lose their ship after every attempt to transport cargo? They get a kill right against them after every attempt at transporting cargo? They get no insurance when they die? They get attacked by the faction police? At the end of of their cargo run every stack and all their mods stand a 50% chance of being destroyed?

No, the real risk to hauling is infact only from the very very rare chance they get targeted by a ganker. So rare infact that over the span of over a million gate jumps they stand a less than 0.01% chance of getting killed by a ganker. Try again.



Where did you get that number from, pull it out of Jenn's megaphone?

Are you making the mistake when looking at game balance to separate out game mechanics from player actions, well who would have thought you would think like that TwistedEvil

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#771 - 2016-08-02 09:40:42 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:

Where did you get that number from, pull it out of Jenn's megaphone?


Red freight, the largest freight organisation in EVE.
Demica Diaz
SE-1
#772 - 2016-08-02 09:47:50 UTC
Ganking has many small effects on EVE but that is nowhere near the reason why EVE has less players playing. Not even close.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#773 - 2016-08-02 09:49:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
baltec1 wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:

Where did you get that number from, pull it out of Jenn's megaphone?


Red freight, the largest freight organisation in EVE.


Not representative of all haulers mate... If I said the same thing about ganking you would be crawling all over me for it.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
John Volan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#774 - 2016-08-02 09:56:41 UTC
Demica Diaz wrote:
Ganking has many small effects on EVE but that is nowhere near the reason why EVE has less players playing. Not even close.

Ganking is a very visible and very controversial thing when you're first starting the game as a newbie, just not to a vet. And it's those new players that it's having an effect on. I'm not saying it shouldn't... CCP went with the philosophy of HTFU over hand-holding but it comes at the expense of new player retention and it's disingenuous to say otherwise.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#775 - 2016-08-02 09:58:11 UTC
Demica Diaz wrote:
Ganking has many small effects on EVE but that is nowhere near the reason why EVE has less players playing. Not even close.


And can you back that up with figures, do you know miners during the gankfest of wet paper bag tanks who were ganked and stayed on, I had contacts from before that period and none of them play the game now, all dropped out during that period after getting ganked so easily.

Come on I am all ears....

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#776 - 2016-08-02 10:16:14 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:

Where did you get that number from, pull it out of Jenn's megaphone?


Red freight, the largest freight organisation in EVE.


Not representative of all haulers mate... If I said the same thing about ganking you would be crawling all over me for it.


Data collected over 1,883,479 gate jumps and 2,786,739 jumps from the previous year. Its representative of freighters, you won't find a larger collection of data.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#777 - 2016-08-02 10:21:03 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Demica Diaz wrote:
Ganking has many small effects on EVE but that is nowhere near the reason why EVE has less players playing. Not even close.


And can you back that up with figures, do you know miners during the gankfest of wet paper bag tanks who were ganked and stayed on, I had contacts from before that period and none of them play the game now, all dropped out during that period after getting ganked so easily.

Come on I am all ears....


These wet paper tanks being on par with cruisers.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#778 - 2016-08-02 10:33:52 UTC
John Volan wrote:
Demica Diaz wrote:
Ganking has many small effects on EVE but that is nowhere near the reason why EVE has less players playing. Not even close.

Ganking is a very visible and very controversial thing when you're first starting the game as a newbie, just not to a vet. And it's those new players that it's having an effect on. I'm not saying it shouldn't... CCP went with the philosophy of HTFU over hand-holding but it comes at the expense of new player retention and it's disingenuous to say otherwise.

No it isnt, the pissing and moaning about it is though.
This mewling and crying about it is what they pick up on, hardly anything moar.

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#779 - 2016-08-02 10:33:59 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Demica Diaz wrote:
Ganking has many small effects on EVE but that is nowhere near the reason why EVE has less players playing. Not even close.


And can you back that up with figures, do you know miners during the gankfest of wet paper bag tanks who were ganked and stayed on, I had contacts from before that period and none of them play the game now, all dropped out during that period after getting ganked so easily.

Come on I am all ears....

Can you back up anything at all with figures?

You reference CCP devs and then can't post the evidence and every time you are asked for figures to support your arguments, you duck and cover.

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#780 - 2016-08-02 10:47:54 UTC
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Demica Diaz wrote:
Ganking has many small effects on EVE but that is nowhere near the reason why EVE has less players playing. Not even close.


And can you back that up with figures, do you know miners during the gankfest of wet paper bag tanks who were ganked and stayed on, I had contacts from before that period and none of them play the game now, all dropped out during that period after getting ganked so easily.

Come on I am all ears....

Can you back up anything at all with figures?

You reference CCP devs and then can't post the evidence and every time you are asked for figures to support your arguments, you duck and cover.


I literally just posted some that disproves what he is saying.