EVE General Discussion

none,, working as intended.

I'm 42 and married. I've been playing EVE since 2007, the whole time I've had a full time job, worked overtime or part time jobs etc.

Whether a person is socially minded (ie can make friends, likes to interact with people) has nothing to do with play time. Plenty of casual players play with/against others. Each part of space attracts different people.

Sov Null sec tends to attract people who like (or at least don't mind) being in a largish group. Low sec attracts people who tend to prefer smallish groups (but who still prefer groups). Hi Sec has people who fit into both the above categories, but is mainly the place for casual, solo, non-pvp types. The only reason there are gankers and wardeccers in high sec is because that's where their prey is (casual, solo, non-pvp types tend to be fairly soft types who find cooperating with others difficult).

Wormholers are just weird. They are Lowseccers who hate Gates and Local chat lol.

But yea, High sec types tend to be asocial, That's not to say that all are (some of them are very social and even organize groups within npc corps). But they tend to play the game for the game aspect, where as more social players use the game as a back drop for social activity.

You can if you pay for the cooperation... ISK usually works. Now, sometimes mutual benefit works as well. I know, I've participated in it. Nothing happened but we actively did work together and helped each other out (non allied corps/players in HiSec) to get something done in system.

However, that takes talking and communication. That is what really keeps players engaged. Ralph KG and CCP are correct. The more you interact, you more you are likely to stay.

No one actually disagrees with that point in that being social is better, but why would a load of anti-social miners who were perfectly happy playing the game for a long time and being quite often solo give up when all the mining ships had the tank of a wet paper bag and destroyers could kill them easily. Damn big mystery to CCP and obviously gankers and ganker aligned players. I know its because if they could be killed with a noob ship with noob weapons they would have stayed, get to it CCP.

PS That was not aimed at you, just at the ganker aligned players. Perhaps we need to make it so everyone in hisec automatically has a tank of a wet paper bag and then the game will have a massive intake of new players and no one will leave period.

I agree that LOTS of ganked ships deserve it due poor fits, choice of route/place etc. However, CCP changing game mechanics to benefit gankers is not just unfair, it's really dumb business practice. Professional gankers are a tiny minority of the subscriber base, deserving a corresponding tiny amount of positive help from CCP. IMO of course.

Back to the OP...Why?

I logged in Sunday afternoon at usual Sun peak time and there were 30k players. I remember not that long ago seeing 50k then over 60k players logged in at that time on most Sunday's.

There is only ONE constant reason why. CCP. Defend them all you want, they hold the ultimate responsibility for the chain of bad decisions that has led us to where we are.

The list for me is almost endless...

The attempts to force people into larger groups, to force people into Null, the love of lag fest blob warfare, just plain dumb changes made while ignoring player suggestions, comments, legitimate complaints during testing. The emphasis on instant gratification noobs, wiping out months and even years of skill training, research with an "Oh well" and just giving it away In a misguided attempt to attract new players at the expense of vets. Selling SP's...yeah I know the come back.."But the character bazaar". Nope, the character bazaar characters took a lot of players sub time, not plex's for cash for instant uber training.

30k players have spoke with their wallets...and CCP is spending it's time with WTF Citadels and trinkets for noobs diversions. Oh, and constantly listening to the Null sec CCM's greedy, one sided manipulations. I hardly even play anymore, when I do it is nowhere near as fun as it was.

Because CCP....period. They are their own worst enemy and they seriously need to shake up upper management before they run what was once a great game all the way into the ground.

My .02

Yes a good reason as people like me agree with, however why did it suddenly get picked up on by Endie? Ask yourself another question it was like that for years, why change now, and in big fights there are so many wrecks its difficult to blow them all up.

As for it being balanced, no it was not balanced out at all, because it removed the one fun part of doing AG stuff. If you could have heard some of the ganker comms when the wreck got blown up you would understand, some of them went utterly apeshite at it, a certain player who is no longer in Eve went on a 20 minute rant over the wreck being blown up.

Perhaps it is because Eve is really a game of rainbows and unicrons for gankers.

I have a better idea: simply provide LESS ore in highsec. Once the belts start running out when they're stripmined, they'll turn on one another soon enough and start ganking the 'competition' themselves.

As long as there is infinite ore and ice, there is no incentive to be competitive.


Edit: same points were raised in the wardec thread: there has to be something to fight over in order to have a meaningful conflict. See where I'm going with this?

Yea. No shortage of ideas; but what would be good for you and me would be totally unacceptable for others. CCP is tightrope walking the middle-of-the-road and that's on overall, not bad. There's something for everyone yet impossible to please everyone.

It's a good thing we can all move to those areas of space we love best, ain't it?

Agreed. Can't help but wonder how many of those are actually nullsec alts earning a buck to fund their PvP though... The logs show nothing.

The ones that stay might.

Many will quit. And while that could be a good thing for the "kill all the thngs!" crowd, it will take out a needed and ...dare I say it... integral part of EvE.

Some people LIKE the boring parts of EvE. One pilot's boring is someone else's relaxing.
But, without the minerals from mining, it'll be tough to make Stuff to blow up.

"But they can mine in null and make more," some say? Sure they could, and they could even have arguably better protection in the middle of a blue area, but this misses something about the independent miner/explorer/mission runner - independence.

These players rely on the mechanics to accomplish their tasks. Sure some take it too far IMO -- AFK anything in EvE should be a first class ticket to buying a replacement ship -- but for the most part, I find no fault in players wanting to do their own thing.

These players want to be in control of their destinies, but don't want to lead. Fine. Let them. There's nothing wrong with this, as long as they aren't trying to change EvE to be a single player game.

Changing the game too far from its core - in either direction - will cause more problems than solutions.

I don't want to see HS become the place of you can't do that, but at the same time having no HS at all (or an unrecognizable HS) would make this game not EvE.

This is EvE - not WoT is space, Space WoW, Asteroid Minecraft, Second Spacelife, or Trade Wars 2016. EvE has elements of ALL these games blended together spiced up with a bit of camaraderie, sociopathy, greed, and generosity.

So EvE needs its mousy miners just as it needs its ne'er-do-wells. Getting rid of playstyles or whole occupations can only stymie player retention.

--Gadget