EVE General Discussion

Well actually the way it is going, it is the normal behavoiur, people who do that routinely like gankers rolling alts, people who get the mechanics changed to benefit their gameplay because they are too fail in game to do what they accuse their enemies of.

So the gankers cannot defend their wrecks and get the EHP increased so they don't have to defend them, yeah typical Eve behaviour and typical CCP naivety and incompetence.

Eve has always been about finding and edge and then taking advantage of it. For example insurance fraud.

And even if players did not resell and biomass these freebies, these freebies would gut the market for DSTs and procurors. Demand would take a huge hit and prices would collapse.

Why not stiffer penalties to security status at trade hubs? Doesn't make sense in a story fashion that a trade system would allow such a threat to its existence. Feels like a lot of what CCP does is to bank on their players and the massive divide in skills between new and long standing players. Seems to me they are no longer interested in making the game enjoyable for new corps or new players. If they don't have our best interests at hand, then the numbers will continue to decline, simple.

Spread out would be nicer yes, but logically how we function as a society in real life, it wouldn't reorganize that way. Another trade hub would just emerge, with the same problems.

Nah, it's just human nature.

Ok, then trade hubs aside, higher penalties for .8 and above systems. From a new player standpoint, which we are discussing, this is a problem just in general, which just so happens to exist in trade hubs as well. If it's supposed to be Hi-Sec, it's not so high. Currently, if you are the ganker, you have massive advantage, with little penalty.

Why is it not an act of aggression to scan someones ship in hi-sec? Something to give new people a chance, where we have nothing at the moment, absolutely nothing.

I have zero problem with 0.8 and up being hardcore HiSec for new players...just as long as CCP removes the ability to live and farm PLEX via mining there...

You CANNOT have it both ways.

Actually its funny, I sat down and analysed various things, this wreck EHP debacle, CCP Falcon's amazing real life consequences post and then his frenzied locking of posts afterwards. The complete mess in terms of mechanics that actually totally benefit the gankers. The result that there is a load of fail players at the top who use the mechanics to slaughter and scam and destroy new players.

I wanted Eve to succeed in spite of all this, and hoped that they could turn it around, but I cannot see it.

CCP got so many things right with this game but they failed because of stupidity and arrogance, the first one was buffing destroyer DPS and then leaving mining ships with the tank of a wet paper bag. All that did was lose a mass of hisec players, when I realised this I started going on the forums to say what the hell are you doing, but they just ploughed on oblivious because at that time they were attracting new players and for some reason they did not analyse what was happening. Then it hit them very late in the day, or too late in the day to be honest and they suddenly adjusted the mining ships. But the damage was done, this was followed up CCP Falcon allowing Hyperdunking which was just crazy.

The war dec system has turned into blanket war deck approach to get people enough targets who fly through pipes and visit hubs, it is as boring as hell. People get a war dec they log out for a week, they drop crop or they roll corps, its just so naff.

In 0.0 we have people with BLOP's leaving AFK cloaky campers in systems 24/24 7/7, people get dropped then decide to stop logging in. The impact of this was massively increased by SP injectors that enabled the campers to create clean full skill toons and of course with no watch list you can no longer control risk with the hot droppers.

It seems that Eve is moving from one ill thought out idea to the next which deepen these problems and yet the decisions are directed by a group of players who do such things like the wreck EHP to directly benefit themselves.

In affect there is a reduction in players because CCP have screwed up, they lost track of getting the balance right, they allowed the people at the top of the game to over fish the new and lower level players with unbalanced mechanics and this is the sorry state that the game is in now.

Add to this the simple fact it is an old game and that new games are coming along who seem to have a better attitude to dealing with meta gaming and rubbish like that and Eve is seen to be out of sync..

Those players who want to create something like an new corp or alliance will find the risk of getting a corp thief or spy in so high that they run the risk of losing everything by theft or by intel that results in the loss of their most expensive assets. Many people say what is the point, there is no way to control accounts, CCP just accept again that newer people are there to be robbed or blasted by veterans with multiple accounts and spy alts to burn.

The problem is total complacency, naivety and incompetence.

And yet there is so much right with this game.

Major issues that need to be sorted:

Actual consequences for ganking in hisec, not the laughable ones we have now
Sorting out the rules on loot scooping so that people cannot avoid consequences
Stop being naive when taking advice from veteran players with vested interests in their own gameplay
Work on the war dec system so that both sides are not alienated
Remove AFK gameplay that froces people to not login, or do something about the ease of dropping people like a delay on cyno's
Link accounts, just do it.

Eve is in a terrible state, that is my opinion.

From your corp description (which shows 50 members by the way):

"Change the face of EvE.

We are a group of players that enjoys all aspects of EvE; PvE and PvP. We run ops for Mining, Missions, Exploration/Wormholes, Small-Gang Roams, and plans for a move to null once our ranks are properly filled.

-TS3
-Ore Buy Back
-Ship Replacement Program
-Training in all areas
-Group Ops"

How about making Marmite or Arcehetype the subject of your "Small-Gang Roams" or "Group Ops". I also see by the war report that you have lost zero (0) ships to any of your wars. <--- That should say current wars (my mistake). I see that you have lost ships in finished wars and even killed some of theirs - good show on that!

It seems to me that some percentage of your 50 members could jump in some small cheap ships and make their life a bit miserable so perhaps they might find it a losing proposition.

Oh it would likley be that way without CCP doing anything. People would move to those systems and they'd be over-farmed in short order leaving everyone crying about how unfair it all is....even though CCP is giving them what they asked for.

Again the problem is people just think in terms of one variable at a time. "CCP make war decs more expensive!!!" The thought process is almost surely: more expensive war decs will mean less war decs.

Well...okay IF YOU HOLD ALL OTHER FACTORS CONSTANT. But in reality, those other factors are not constant. There is nothing to prevent a war dec corp from responding along another dimension....such as banding together and finding income sources not open to them as small independent corps/alliances and keeping right on deccing left right and center.