Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I agree... let's force capital ships to have rigs that require double the mats of a large rig, the same as small and medium scale.

Umm - wouldn't that be approximately 5 times the material requirements of a large since that is the scale difference...

Small = x
Medium = 5x
Large = 25x
Capital 125x


That would get kinda expensive to put trimarks on a cap!!!!

That being said, there ARE capital size rigs in the blueprints on iClone. Not sure how long they been there or not. Clickin on one crashes the app on my iPhone it would seem...

I like OP's idea.


also bolded the important part

this is primarily about cheaper small/medium T2 rigs (by decreasing demand of intact salvage), not about more expensive capital sized ones.

They believe they already did. If i recall correctly exhumers now drop Intact Armor Plates, a change that came with crucible.

http://imgur.com/a/GyhJW

The prices have fallen, but not to the level that shield rigs have.. I really don't know how common intact armor plates now are compared to intact shield emitters, but if prices fall to the same level as intact shield emitters, expect T2 large trimarks to be 80m-100m. Also theres other reasons for why T2 rigs in general are more expensive than they really should be.

One is so few people actually make the rigs, you can pretty much put it at a price that 25% to 300% of the build costs, and people will still buy them. Theres even a cartel on certain rigs. This isn't true about all rigs though, especially not trimarks.

Lets go through the steps it takes to build a T2 rig. For example we'll use T2 Trimarks at a POS (fastest possible

1. Make copies of the rig blueprint. You have to make 1 run copies of these due to it not being time efficent to make max runs. This takes around 2 hours and 30 minutes to make 20 copies.

2. Invent the copies. This takes 12 hours, 30 minutes for a single copy, and the chances come out to be about 50%, so for one successful T2 BPC, you must spend 25 hours inventing.

3. Manufacturing. This takes 5 hours.

So that's a total of 32 and a half hours to make one T2 Large Trimark. And this is assuming you alarm clocking the times (which isn't fun btw) and have access to eve 24/7.

Trimarks give around 30m (don't qoute me on this) of profit for all of that work and around 420m (don't quote me on this either) of investment. Is investing that much ISK for something that is only used in special occasions really worth the time?

Also, this doesn't scale, so all T2 rigs take the same amount of time depending on whether your producing at a pos or station (an NPC station takes about twice as long).


IMO the production of T2 rigs needs to be looked at, not just the salvage supply.

Actually Maud, T2 weapon rigs are also overpriced, for example i'll use the most popular one. Large Energy Discharge Elutration II.

According to my spreadsheets and approximations, it costs about 5m to produce just one, which sells for 13.5m in Jita at time of posting.

So even the affordable rigs are overpriced.

Though i do agree, capital ships should have their own class of rigs.

P.S. I did a quick check on a few other rigs, those also cost much less than their selling for.

so, build rigs and sell them for less if you think they are overpriced.
I mean its simple market mechanics which dictate prices. If noone builds stuff, the price goes up.
Apparently, there are not enough players doing all of the hassle of invention, so the prices stay up. Nothing wrong with that.

btw. those rigs arent the only item giving over 200% profits, many other items do that as well. I dont understand why you are complaining, its a good thing industry is still alive and viable alternative to make money.

Apart of that, I dont even get why you want capital rigs - just for the matter of being??
What would you expect from introducing them?