EVE General Discussion

TL;DR you can't be arsed to do something that you, mistakenly, think other people should be doing for you

Stop being a lazy twonk and do something for yourself instead of expecting us to do it for you.

I never said this game is horrible, otherwise I would not play it at all.

I think this game is awesome but there are some big walls that keep a solid potential base of player on the other side of the wall.

If by wall you mean game defining design elements and principles then yes. I will ask again, for at least the third time this week without getting a single answer, why does this game have to be for everyone? Why can't people play the game it is for what it is?

would you like areoplane noises with that?

+1 for airplane noises while in my 1/2 of a B-25 bomber...er I mean CATALYST!

--Gadget goes Vrooom

Lucy...I still don't necessarily agree with everything you are saying - but thank you for finally coming out and simply stating your opinions, instead of asking leading questions and trying to force people to come to the conclusion you want them to.

These forums are still full of trolls, and they are still going to yell at you/etc probably - but at least they'll be arguing with what you are saying instead of the way you are saying it.

o7

I disagree - when this game was pulling 45k it was an old game - people always pointed that out - that despite it being an old game it was still increase users. So what changed? Well one thing the isoboxer changes certainly had an impact. But imo, the biggest reason for the change is that ccp started tinkering with the game to make it cater more and more to causals. If you look at eve - its famous learning curve can be viewed as hazing. Casuals couldnt get past the learning curve. Oth if you survived the learning curve you were a dedicated hardcore player and you stuck with the game. So what brought hardcore players into the game? IMO it was the ability to interact with other players unique and different ways. This is why after every big news store about corp thefts, assassinations and big battles eve sees a bump in usage. CCP then started to tinker with core mechanics, making eve a softer friendlier world in an effort to attract causals - the problem is that there are many games that cater to causal players and almost all of them do it better then eve. And casuals by definition have no loyalty - when they get bored they leave and they will get bored because eve pve has always sucked and it will always continue to suck because there just only so many ways you can recast a "go shoot the red xs" as being new and fresh. Oth there are very few games that cater to hard core pvp types and even fewer that do it in an open world environment. So by making eve friendlier - ccp made the game more accessible to folk that had better options and wouldnt stay around anyway while angering its core players who have stuck with the game through thick and thin and now found that their reason for playing the game was no longer in existence. Can flipping, barge changes, jump fat, buddy list changes - have all had a price. And when a hard core player decides to retire - he takes with him not just his main but all his support accounts.

Also tiercide sucked. it was anti-sand box at its core. It did nothing to balance game play - all it did was shuffle the deck and create new flavors of the month. Worse it took away choice - ccp imposed roles on everything. Yes you could still use a ship counter to its role but you are punished for doing so. The net result is that in a supposed sandbox game ccp is telling you what your ship is good for and how it should be fit which has lead to a reduction of choice and freedom of operation. Just look at the osprey - sure it was a meh ship - but you could use it as a miner, logi, or a anti-can flipper. It was great fun hiding in a belt surprising can flippers who should have known better. It was also great fun spider tanking the things because everyone underestimated the ship - now choice has been removed - and the only option is as a newbee logi. And the idea that tiers have been removed is laughable eg. logi you have t1, t2, capital - all as separate tiers.

Need a client capable of running on a cell phone.
Or a cell phone from the future.

Ganking is and has always been extremely rare. You can go your entire eve career without being ganked. And you can reduce your possibility of being ganked by taking reasonable precautions like using a procuer or mining in and out of the way place or not being afk while flying that freighter. Doesnt mean ganking is impossible - just that compared to the population of eve - the chance that you are going to get ganked on anyone day is de minimis

In my opinion sometimes it's lack of information, sometimes it can be laziness or desire to shorten mining-hauling times.

I give you an example.

The redeem system is not clear at all for many, in particular for newbies when it's connected to the market system.

I had a Corpmate that was intelligent and asked before reediming a plex he bought. He didn't know how important it is to redeem it in a big hub and in particular in jita ( he didn't actually know what jita is ).

He was lucky, others explained him to travel to jita and then redeem and sell the plex without undocking and so on, but I suppose it's not unfrequent to have a enthusiastic new player that buys a plex, redeems it and then he find he's in the wrong place to sell it ( not to say it can happen he tries to transport it to a better place unaware he can be scanned down and stealed from it ).

I would not deem that kind of player a stupid one, or an unattentive one, in particular during the first weeks of gameplay.

Some mechanics I found in many other mmos ( what's calling soulbounding for using a general expression ) are not applied here.

It's a choice not to apply that mechanics, but because Eve is more an exception than a common game about it, I think it should be clear ( with big game warnings ) that here everything is different.