EVE New Citizens Q&A

I can understand that you are confused because it seems you havn't read what I've been typing in this thread...

EDIT: Well, here's a tldr version for you; I think it sucks having tons of new player quitting eve early in part due to corps griefing newbies in HS. For the fifth time, this is not about my last ship I lost, it's about all my friends trying out EVE and leaving in frustration over this.

I understand perfectly. How is this topic a New Citizen question or answer? It is just you pontificating on aspects of the game design you don't seem to understand or don't like.

Take it to another sub-forum. I suggest General Discussion or perhaps F&I if you actually have a constructive suggestion and don't just want to whine self-indulgently about how Eve isn't the game you or your friends want it to be.

We all want new bros to stay around but what you are complaining about is the game. New players are not "griefed" by being attacked in highsec, at least not more than everyone else.

You are not a new player. You were baited and killed in highsec against your will as is intended game play. The veteran players that almost daily lose multi-billion ISK freighters did not consent to have their transport ships exploded and their goods taken, and this is also intended game play. The CODE. alliance explodes around 1T ISK of other player's stuff each month, most of those veteran players mining or hauling in highsec, as does The Marmite Collective, P I R A T, and others by way of wardecs. "Griefing" as you call it is normal, expected and intended game play and goes on everywhere in this game and is something everyone has to deal with.

If you and your friends can't accept the possibility of losing stuff against your will than Eve is not the game for you. None of us like losing but it can happen to all of us, and the challenge of preventing and/or mitigating the risk of loss is a major part of the game. I fully understand that learning the game takes some time and new players will make mistakes as they learn the game, but early losses in cheap, easily replaceable ships are wonderful lessons on how not to get killed in the future.

Bubble-wrapping new players so they never lose anything until, say one day they get baited in a mission and lose a battleship, is setting them up for failure, forum tears and rage-quitting. Some gamers, maybe most gamers, will never accept a game where they can permanently lose their stuff against their will to another player and it is best they learn this reality of Eve early before they waste too much time and money on the game.

In any case, your complaints have no place in a forum for new players to ask questions about game mechanics. I will report this thread and we can carry on this discussion if and when this thread is moved somewhere more appropriate.

What the... ? Are you delusional or something? No I'm not a completely new player? Or I guess where do you draw the line? My main is barely 8 months although I feel I have barely scratched the surface of EVE. And why do you keep talking about one of my ships I lost in eve? The whole reason I even tried out this game was because of the pvp.

What I'm talking about here is why all my friends stopped playing eve when barely 1-2 months old. Obviously something set you off, I'm sure it was not the fact that there might be a more suitable subforum for this thread. I said sorry, don't take my criticism of bad mechanics personal. Taking a look at you on zkillboard I know why you are upset, it's because of the topic of solving issues why new players leave due to harassing/ganking etc in HS, which seem to be your only form of enjoying the game. If you think I'm wrong, why not explain how you reason instead and why the game is perfectly fine as it is? There could've been a good discussion you know but great job derailing that. Anyways, this doesn't really matter. I don't see any of my friends ever trying out eve again so I personally have nothing to gain from improving the gameexperience for newbies. Did not expect some individuals go full ragemode on this topic though. Perhaps it's best if this thread gets deleted asap, the topic seems incredibly senstive to say the least and since I'm also leaving I don't really have an interest in discussing this any further. Besides there is no point in even trying to have a meaningful discussion in here anyway.

I agree with the points you've raised. Unfortunately players who would like a friendlier environment to play in are a minority. The pvpers in Eve are fiercely protective of the mechanics ingame and frown upon anything that can interfere with it. No one will ever change the course of gameplay in Eve but saying that numbers seem to have dropped off rapidly in the 3 months I've played. Whether that's due to the summer idk

Be interesting to see what happens when titles such as No mans sky and Star citizen are released

To the original poster if you still enjoy the game (and it sounds like you do) carry on playing. You have experience of pvp which I don't. Your probably more angry by coming here and getting negative feedback than losing the ship. I've only lost one ship in hisec, it did hurt at the time as I do seem to make isk rather slowly. I'm guessing your a more skilled player with a greater bank balance and knowledge with how to recoup your losses.

The griefing ingame carries over to the forums...great eh?

You can click the flag at the top of any of your posts and ask an ISD volunteer to lock or move your thread. If you created it, they will do their best to respect your wishes.

Best of luck finding a game that suits your wants and needs better. o7

Unfortunately, that is just how it is. EVE is a niche game that is meant to represent a frontier where the only real law is the one you create yourself. This will make the game appeal to those people that enjoy being the source of their own safety, or violating the safety of others, or surviving the whole dangerous situation through their own initative.

There is a reason why even when when the government said, "Free land out west" relatively few people took up on it, and most died or returned empty handed during the big land rush. The truth is, most people enjoy reading about hardship when it is someone else going through it, but when they start having a hard time, they don't think, "Oh, it's like I'm the main character in a story, HOW COOL!" Instead they just think about how their lot sucks.

That's why we say this might not be the game for them, or maybe for you. We aren't being condescending we are just saying that you are making a fundamental misunderstanding about what EVE is.

Basically, EVE is a game for problem solvers. If you have a problem in EVE, such as HS ganking or whatever. Do you want someone else to solve your problem, do you get annoyed and want to quit, or do you get excited and want to figure out your own way to overcome that problem? That last player is the one that EVE is made for. Devs don't solve problems, they create them.

There just isn't any other game that gives the same sense of risk and reward as EVE. And the NPE could be improved a bit, and it is in the process of being improved again. But part of what you are asking is actually to take away what makes EVE special to those that enjoy it.

So theres just 2 objectives...pvp and missions?

Having actually read the whole thread...

A similar thing happened to me when I started. I started playing the game with a RL friend and we made our own little corp. He got too busy to play and ended up quitting. I stuck around doing nothing in our corp for a while hoping he'd come back before I burned out and quit for a few weeks.

When I realized he was done I started looking for another player corp to join and that's when EVE really began for me. From your history I see you never joined an actual player corp so I assume you played mostly solo and with your friends. That's understandable, but it almost never works out because EVE isn't kind to groups of inexperienced players. It may feel like veterans are griefing you, but really they're just looking for any sort of content. They will happily fight each other when the opportunity arises. The reason you feel targeted is just because you are an easy target. Inexperience forces that on any new player.

The best way to stop being an easy target is to join an experienced group with players that will help you learn and protect you from making big tactical errors while you get your feet wet. This is much easier to do as a single player than with a group of friends. I have introduced several RL friends to EVE and of those that stuck around I don't actually play with any of them. We simply have different interests in game.

Of course as a new (or isolated) player you won't have the prior experience to realize that an assault frigate can take on a battleship (not to harp on this but just using it as an example). It's just not something you've run into before. If you were in my corp, or the corp of nearly anyone on this forum, we would have immediately recognized the threat you faced and could either warn you or help you neutralize it. It's something that could have easily been avoided. Knowledge is power here. New players succeed when they seek out those that have it and learn from them.

So no...the game doesn't need to change to accommodate new players. The mechanics are carefully balanced so that those with experience can still enjoy interesting content after years of playing. You just have to realize that as a new player, you're at the bottom of the food chain. Find the friends and find the knowledge that you need to scramble your way up the ladder. Even after years of playing there's always a bigger fish somewhere. If you can't eat it, at least figure out how to avoid it for the time being, until you're ready to conquer the galaxy.

The ones that can't accomplish this either weren't cut out for EVE (which is fine - it's definitely not for everyone) or just weren't exposed to the more interesting content the game has to offer. Unfortunately the second group is pretty large, but that's why the regulars in this subforum are here answering questions and offering advice. You'll constantly see us tell new players to join a corp/alliance/some kind of group, because we know from our own experience that this is the best way to expose you to enough of the game that you can see the bigger picture and get hooked.

TLDR: Joining a player group will completely change your (or your friends') new player experience.