EVE New Citizens Q&A

Ok, so you think it's a good design having new players spawn in HS and get hammered by corps who suicidegank and extort/blackmail them? I guess we just have to agree to disagree on that one.

It's a design in keeping with the nature of the game, that nature being one of a chaotic dystopia.

As such Eve is not a game for everybody, there is no shame in admitting that it isn't the game for you and moving on. What you see as something that detracts from Eve, others including myself, see as something that enhances it; the freedoms available in Eve are what sets it apart from the numerous other games on the market for us.

There are numerous other games that sound like they would be much more appealing to you, kindly play one of those and stop suggesting that Eve should be turned into one of them to suit you.

Firstly:
https://support.eveonline.com/hc/en-us/articles/203209732-Harassment-and-offensive-behavior

https://support.eveonline.com/hc/en-us/articles/203209712-Rookie-Griefing

Secondly:

Eve is a PVP-game first. Whenever you undock, you consent to having your ship blown up by other players. The game gives you the freedom to do what you want, but it also gives that same freedom to other players. There's a reason why the first rule of Eve is "Do not fly what you cannot afford to lose"

Thirdly: Ganking has been in the game for a long time. I don't think many gankers strictly target new players because CCP frowns upon that. Most gankers are opportunity-killers. They look for people who open themselves up for an easy kill by the way they fly, by what they fly, by taking their baits. It's no tthe player age that is what they look for.

Some quick tips:
1) Get further away from the main tradehubs. Moving into a quieter corner of the world can let you be in peace as most gankers don't usually move much. They have their hunting-ground and most stick in it.
2) Use your directional scan to see when other ships are warping to you. Put the range to 1 AU and 360 degrees. That way you can see if ganking-ships (usually catalysts or tornado's) are warping to you.
3) Learn from your earlier mistakes. Eve is a complex game and you will keep learning new things and usefull tips that will keep you alive. Losing a ship is often a great (but a painfull) way to learn a lesson.

Eve is supposed to be a competitive game. Eve players are well known for their aggressiveness. Nevertheless, when I looked back to my history of ship explosions, I found most of them is avoidable. We humans are prone to make mistakes. There are reasons for every killmail. May be it is because of my mission boat being too shiny and getting the attention of gankers. May be I should use Procurer instead of Retriever in a 0.5 asteroid belt. May be I should use interceptor to scout before moving my valuable asset through dangerous systems. The game has provided tools to avoid most of the risks. Sometimes I was careless or didn't care about the consequence. Ship explosion is the price I have to pay. Eve is complicated. Everyone learn something from their mistakes and become less vulnerable and more dangerous in time. That's why the veterans, who stay in playing, are so formidable and, sometimes, unforgiving, because they have gone through the same hurdles you have experienced. The key is to learn from mistake and try not to make the same mistake again. You will become dangerous too.

Best advice I can give a new player: gtfo high sec as soon as you can.

It sets you up with unrealistic expectations of what this game is like and also gating a large percentage of what makes this game fun.

Instead of quitting, maybe look at alternatives to high sec? EVE is widely regarded as a horizontal progression game, there's nothing here to say you HAVE to stay in high security space for x months before you're allowed to explore other areas of the game.

The only major difference between hisec and other areas of space is the cost of aggressing another player; it's as much an area for PvP as losec, nullsec or wormholes; and that is by design.

Newbies are exempt from wardecs while they're in an NPC corp, if and when they join a player corp they become affected by them; it is corporate leaderships responsibility to make sure that their newer players are aware of the threat of wardecs and how to deal with them, unfortunately far too many corps are started and headed up by people that have absolutely no business doing so because they are as ignorant of the game as the newbies they recruit; the real "greifers" are corp CEOs that have no idea what they're doing.

I'd rather see the extortionists running around keeping people honest than what preceded them, which was absolute silence in local because most of the people in system were afk/multiboxers/bots.

While I see your point, such is the nature of the game, and it's been that way since its inception. Eve was never designed, nor intended, to appeal to the mass market that other MMOs do, it was designed for those of us that find the mainstream fare unappealing and that like their gaming to be a challenge.

I agree with you, but we'll both agree and then think about how that can be implemented, and disagree about the implementation.

"Honor" is the first thing that goes away in war. Think about how they used to fight, standing in line with bright color uniforms and shooting each other in turn, and how fast that went away and changed into trench warfare.

CCP already has a rule about not griefing newbies, but not all new characters are newbies, and people HAVE made "newbie" characters to carry a whole bunch of PLEX or other valuables in newbie frigates or shuttles, or to spy, or to awox, so a blanket immunity isn't possible.

Nor does it make sense to restrict it by time (first day, first week, first month), because, again, skill injectors and alts.

Nor can it be restricted to more than the newbie starter systems, because even those 12 are too many to monitor.

So yea, stopping toxic people is a fine goal, that's just about impossible. Because where do you draw the line that decides what's toxic. "Newbie" who got killed, were they flying an expensive ship? PLEX or other valuables in the cargo? Did they not see the many guides explaining why this is bad? Or the tutorial warnings? Did they not know this is a PVP game? It's advertised as such. What exactly is "toxic", what exactly is "griefing"?

We'll argue forever.

OP, you like losec FW and WH stuff, but you're ragequitting over hisec game mechanics?

Seems strange.

If you like losec FW, play that, adapt to the problems so that they are not problems for you and let ccp worry about things instead.

Don't quit.

Different people want different things from their corporation. Sometimes it can take a while to find the right one. Personally I've enjoyed being a part of each corporation in that I've been in. We've done things together that none of us could have done alone.

Some people stay in their own tax-evasion corps due to fear of the corporation stealing their ships and other items if they join. Eve is a game about risk and reward. Trusting other people can be a big risk, but so are rewards. Your power as a single capsuleer is limited, but if you put together a corporation of like-minded people, you can make great things happen.

Find a corp who is :
1) newbros friendly.
2) populated enough, with some experienced players willing to help.
3) active, especially in your time zone.

Why not join us in EVE-University ? You'll get all that and much much more : classes, fleets, events, help, advices, a huge wiki, campuses... you can try all what can be done in EVE (except griefing...) in every kind of environments.
Trust me, your vision of corpos will change quickly :)