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I challange Diana Kim to a rap battle

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Slayer Liberator
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#21 - 2016-07-23 00:44:02 UTC
Kolodi Ramal wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
He offered his terms, but they are clearly dehumanizing in their savagery. But I am not a filthy minmatar. Such behavior is unacceptable in civilized society.

Really? My people come up with an artistic and non-violent way to settle a dispute and you call it uncivilized while refusing to use anything other than violence?

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Slayer Liberator
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#22 - 2016-07-23 00:48:19 UTC
Jason Galente wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:

However, your terms of fight are insulting, disgusting and unacceptable. As far as I understand from your explanation, it is nothing but "dropping phrases that insult the opposing party". In other words - verbal mudslinging. And the only way to win such "game" is not starting to play as well.


..I don't even have to point it out, do I? Roll

No, you Don't it is easier to notice than a Leviathan
Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#23 - 2016-07-23 06:41:40 UTC
Her rapper name will be Poop Dogg.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#24 - 2016-07-23 08:10:02 UTC
Kolodi Ramal wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
He offered his terms, but they are clearly dehumanizing in their savagery. But I am not a filthy minmatar. Such behavior is unacceptable in civilized society.

Really? My people come up with an artistic and non-violent way to settle a dispute and you call it uncivilized while refusing to use anything other than violence?

Artistic way of insulting?... This is disgusting, terrible! It won't solve problem and won't let any of parties to release steam, it will only make each of participants more angry and frustrated.

Besides, he shall feel the punishment for his words. By yelling obscenities at him.... it won't change anything.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2016-07-23 09:30:40 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Kolodi Ramal wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
He offered his terms, but they are clearly dehumanizing in their savagery. But I am not a filthy minmatar. Such behavior is unacceptable in civilized society.

Really? My people come up with an artistic and non-violent way to settle a dispute and you call it uncivilized while refusing to use anything other than violence?

Artistic way of insulting?... This is disgusting, terrible! It won't solve problem and won't let any of parties to release steam, it will only make each of participants more angry and frustrated.

Besides, he shall feel the punishment for his words. By yelling obscenities at him.... it won't change anything.


People make music TO release steam.

Are you perhaps an uncultured swine who has never walked within two feet of a ukelele? Does the sound of a group of people singing and dancing terrify you? Do you punch any of your crew members for daring to sing shanties while operating ship machinery?

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Mika Firestorm
Your Friendly Neighborhood Logistics
#26 - 2016-07-23 11:05:02 UTC
Rap is a trashy uncouth low-quality music for those "singers" who have no freaking idea how to sing.

Diana, if you will ever agree to such sort of "battle", you will cover youself with such shame, that you won't wash in a hundred of years. Oh, and I will throw a rotten tomato your way too.

As for the "challenge" itself, I am pretty sure it is just mocking.

State the nature of your medical emergency

Avio Yaken
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#27 - 2016-07-23 12:11:28 UTC
Mika Firestorm wrote:
Rap is a trashy uncouth low-quality music for those "singers" who have no freaking idea how to sing.

Diana, if you will ever agree to such sort of "battle", you will cover youself with such shame, that you won't wash in a hundred of years. Oh, and I will throw a rotten tomato your way too.

As for the "challenge" itself, I am pretty sure it is just mocking.



Mika, Perfect

You get to be Diana's hypeman!


Alll you gotta do is what you are doing now which is being a obnixious background noise that goes "YEAH BOY" every now and then or "OKAY" after every bar Diana would drop, you're perfect for the role

(.___________________________________________.)/

Jason Galente
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2016-07-23 12:23:50 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Kolodi Ramal wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
He offered his terms, but they are clearly dehumanizing in their savagery. But I am not a filthy minmatar. Such behavior is unacceptable in civilized society.

Really? My people come up with an artistic and non-violent way to settle a dispute and you call it uncivilized while refusing to use anything other than violence?

Artistic way of insulting?... This is disgusting, terrible! It won't solve problem and won't let any of parties to release steam, it will only make each of participants more angry and frustrated.


Well you're sort of right about that. That's what the after-rap fly-bys are for.

Diana, I think you would be quite a fan of rap culture. "Yo dawg I herd u was disrespektin Tibus Heth, fuckboi."

Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended.

At any cost

Jason Galente
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2016-07-23 12:28:49 UTC
Mika Firestorm wrote:
Rap is a trashy uncouth low-quality music for those "singers" who have no freaking idea how to sing.

Diana, if you will ever agree to such sort of "battle", you will cover youself with such shame, that you won't wash in a hundred of years. Oh, and I will throw a rotten tomato your way too.

As for the "challenge" itself, I am pretty sure it is just mocking.


Oh look, she shows up again to give Diana a way out without looking like a flop to every person involved. How much does she pay you? Or perhaps you two are lovers?

Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended.

At any cost

Jason Galente
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2016-07-23 12:29:37 UTC
Avio Yaken wrote:
Mika Firestorm wrote:
Rap is a trashy uncouth low-quality music for those "singers" who have no freaking idea how to sing.

Diana, if you will ever agree to such sort of "battle", you will cover youself with such shame, that you won't wash in a hundred of years. Oh, and I will throw a rotten tomato your way too.

As for the "challenge" itself, I am pretty sure it is just mocking.



Mika, Perfect

You get to be Diana's hypeman!


Alll you gotta do is what you are doing now which is being a obnixious background noise that goes "YEAH BOY" every now and then or "OKAY" after every bar Diana would drop, you're perfect for the role


Avio, why are you so much more intelligent than I am? Goddamn.

Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended.

At any cost

Mika Firestorm
Your Friendly Neighborhood Logistics
#31 - 2016-07-23 14:01:34 UTC
Jason Galente wrote:
Mika Firestorm wrote:
Rap is a trashy uncouth low-quality music for those "singers" who have no freaking idea how to sing.

Diana, if you will ever agree to such sort of "battle", you will cover youself with such shame, that you won't wash in a hundred of years. Oh, and I will throw a rotten tomato your way too.

As for the "challenge" itself, I am pretty sure it is just mocking.


Oh look, she shows up again to give Diana a way out without looking like a flop to every person involved. How much does she pay you? Or perhaps you two are lovers?

I despise rap with associated with it "culture" and I can recognize mocking.

Better tell us why you, personally, want to do this to her?

State the nature of your medical emergency

Felise Selunix
Keyholder Investment Group
#32 - 2016-07-23 16:00:11 UTC
Mika Firestorm wrote:
I despise rap with associated with it "culture" and I can recognize mocking.

Better tell us why you, personally, want to do this to her?


You know, I think I might be able to bring some clarity to this by reversing the example. When Miss Kim challenges someone to a duel for honor--which seems to be a regular occurrence around here from my observations--she usually chooses traditionally Caldari methodology, ships and pistols and whatnot.

For someone from a culture where violent duels might be taboo, Miss Kim's offers might seem to be a mocking gesture when in fact, it's her way of gaining a feeling of satisfaction from the ritual.

By the same turn, doesn't Mr. Yaken here deserve the same consideration to gain satisfaction from the duel? Give it a chance.
Mika Firestorm
Your Friendly Neighborhood Logistics
#33 - 2016-07-23 18:11:15 UTC
Felise Selunix wrote:
Mika Firestorm wrote:
I despise rap with associated with it "culture" and I can recognize mocking.

Better tell us why you, personally, want to do this to her?


You know, I think I might be able to bring some clarity to this by reversing the example. When Miss Kim challenges someone to a duel for honor--which seems to be a regular occurrence around here from my observations--she usually chooses traditionally Caldari methodology, ships and pistols and whatnot.

For someone from a culture where violent duels might be taboo, Miss Kim's offers might seem to be a mocking gesture when in fact, it's her way of gaining a feeling of satisfaction from the ritual.

By the same turn, doesn't Mr. Yaken here deserve the same consideration to gain satisfaction from the duel? Give it a chance.

Probably you should adress it to her then. But I wouldn't give honor of fighting on ships to Caldari only. We are now sort of special race of our own - capsuleers, and fights on ships are quite usual past time for members of our caste disregarding what race they are, Caldari or Minmatar.

My comment also wasn't about violent or peaceful nature of the challenge, but about the terrible and uncouth choice of "art". I would really applaud to Kim if she agrees to sing an aria from an opera, or play in a symphony orchestra. Or at least solo on piano that would involve playing more than one note at a time.

I might be studying Caldari culture and deeply interested in it, but I tend to look at this thing from a culture-independent point of view. I am not sure what culture I belong anymore, but I hope you will agree, that whatever music you prefer, it shall be quality music, and if it is singing, it shall be quality singing.

State the nature of your medical emergency

Felise Selunix
Keyholder Investment Group
#34 - 2016-07-23 20:02:35 UTC
Mika Firestorm wrote:
Probably you should address it to her then. But I wouldn't give honor of fighting on ships to Caldari only. We are now sort of special race of our own - capsuleers, and fights on ships are quite usual past time for members of our caste disregarding what race they are, Caldari or Minmatar.

My comment also wasn't about violent or peaceful nature of the challenge, but about the terrible and uncouth choice of "art". I would really applaud to Kim if she agrees to sing an aria from an opera, or play in a symphony orchestra. Or at least solo on piano that would involve playing more than one note at a time.

I might be studying Caldari culture and deeply interested in it, but I tend to look at this thing from a culture-independent point of view. I am not sure what culture I belong anymore, but I hope you will agree, that whatever music you prefer, it shall be quality music, and if it is singing, it shall be quality singing.


T'was a message partially meant for all. Kinda directed Miss Kim but mostly some general musing.

I can see that you're feelings about this 'rap game' music are pretty strong. I've never heard any, so I can't offer an opinion. Either way though it seems to me that either judgement is purely subjective. I've heard plenty of operas, particularly contemporary pieces that quite frankly are pretty uncouth in their obvious attempts at grandiosity in sacrifice of reliability, while on the other hand, I've heard some very beautiful and authentic bawdy Vherokhior folk tunes that might be out of place at a black tie dinner. Subjective opinions on art are as common as veldspar.

I can't agree with your assessment of capsuleer culture, though. while ship duels may be common, they are by no means the extent of capsuleer culture. This thread itself is proof of that. Capsuleers come from all over and bring all sorts of traditions, so this 'rap game' thing to me is just another point on the star so to speak.

No matter the decision, we must not lose sight of the important part, though: Exposure. This duel is much too important not to be shown to a paying public. Emphasis on paying.
Jason Galente
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2016-07-23 22:05:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Jason Galente
Mika Firestorm wrote:
I am not sure what culture I belong anymore, but I hope you will agree, that whatever music you prefer, it shall be quality music, and if it is singing, it shall be quality singing.


I'd be careful before you dismiss all rap as "not quality music/singing"

I realize that musical tastes are subjective, but here's a rap that has, in my view, intelligent lyrics, a message, vocal range, and a decent beat.

Please explain which parts of this song lack quality.

((For the love of God, ignore the NYC reference, there's nothing I can do about it :<))

Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended.

At any cost

iyammarrok
Drunken Beaver Mining
Gnawthority
#36 - 2016-07-23 23:40:55 UTC
so, confrontational 'singing' is more savage and dehumanizing, than faceless killing machines fighting to the death in the void of space.

This ladies and gentlemen, is Ms Kim's logic at work.
Priceless.

Also, others have already pointed out the obvious and utterly hilarious levels of hypocrisy in her reasons for turning it down, so i'll just let their responses lie there for now.

-Tertianus Rethelior.

Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.

Doctor Gallento
Doctor Gallento - the Rock'n'Roll Clown
#37 - 2016-07-24 12:37:28 UTC
Tunes in brandishing a strikingly over the top cowboy hat with the federation eagle as a sheriff star and a white/green makeup, brandishing eagle wings as eyebrows, like the rebel he is.


Yehawww, now that would be fun. I mean, I'm currently experimenting with some Country stuff, great stuff, really is, but a rap battle certainly has some appeal. I'm more a man of catchy refrains myself but hats off to the wordsmiths of the future.

He tips his hat.

Also, Diana Kim, shame on you for not rising to the challenge! Shame, shame, shame!

He sniffs.

Alright ladies and gents, I got to do some uh creative work again. PS: Buy my new album, Cash2Crash.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#38 - 2016-07-24 12:37:46 UTC
Felise Selunix wrote:
Mika Firestorm wrote:
I despise rap with associated with it "culture" and I can recognize mocking.

Better tell us why you, personally, want to do this to her?


You know, I think I might be able to bring some clarity to this by reversing the example. When Miss Kim challenges someone to a duel for honor--which seems to be a regular occurrence around here from my observations--she usually chooses traditionally Caldari methodology, ships and pistols and whatnot.

For someone from a culture where violent duels might be taboo, Miss Kim's offers might seem to be a mocking gesture when in fact, it's her way of gaining a feeling of satisfaction from the ritual.

By the same turn, doesn't Mr. Yaken here deserve the same consideration to gain satisfaction from the duel? Give it a chance.

I always provide choice of weapon and form of fight to those whom I challenge. Even it it would be a wet shirt.

The thing with violence is that you show that you can pay for your words with your life, and thus showing that they mean something to you. Fighting in a duel may end with both sides alive, if one side submits and brings apologies, or the other sides decides that it is enough punishment, or... that they can't take it. But in most cases those who fight an honorable duel display their honor to each other, and despite who won, they can actually become friends, or at least become neutral to each other in a respectful way. In most cases I saw it (and even promote myself) after quite a number of duels. Unfortunately, there are opposite cases as well. For example, I have spared life of one person because she fought honorably, and we became almost friends, but some time later she resumed lying about me in media. Another unfortunate scenario was when we were fighting on ships and a pirate has joined the fight (since this case I try to choose places to fight where third party intervention will be minimized). My opponent has blindly blamed me that this pirate was my associate and the situation escalated even further. But I repeat, in most cases duels lead actually to reconciliation.

I don't think that mutual insulting match can bring any sort of reconciliation.

And my main argument is that Yaken shall pay for his words that insulted Caldari Uniform. If I just yell at him, he won't pay anything.

My second argument is that the offered format is disgracing for me.

And my third argument is that I won't get anything for winning this one, I won't lose anything for losing this one.... But I lose something for mere participating in this.

And finally, my fourth argument, is that I actually accept changes when peoples whom I challenge can't accept them, and Yaken... well, he looks like he simply can't.

I am always open to negotiations for those who desire to cease conflict or change conditions... but I am not bending for those, who won't bend themselves to come to agreement. And from my point of view the first party who shall come to the concession is the one that started the conflict.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#39 - 2016-07-24 12:39:52 UTC
Doctor Gallento wrote:

Also, Diana Kim, shame on you for not rising to the challenge! Shame, shame, shame!

I have raised to it, sort of... by raising the bets into the proper fight. And if there should be shame, it is for Yaken, who has chickened out from it.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Asayi Moliko
Doomheim
#40 - 2016-07-24 12:42:47 UTC
Quote:

I don't think that mutual insulting match can bring any sort of reconciliation.


I mean, rap's not really my thing. It is a bit bruteish, and not in a subliminal basses and flamethrower guitar kinda thing, which is pretty rad. But you're kinda already on a roll when it comes to insulting. If you look up a few other words for coward and things that rhyme with it I'm sure you'll be a smashing success.

No not believing in yourself, lady.
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