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EVE's appeal

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Tian Toralen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2016-07-23 08:11:35 UTC
Holding space in a MMORPG appeals only to hardcore roleplayers. Besides holding space and participating in space wars (this is a RP thing), EVE offers nothing fun.

PVE - try to rat anomalies, and you will fall asleep. PVE is fun only because game time and ships (ships wich should offer fun in game) can be bought with isk. So players accept the boring PVE, only for the ISK, hoping they will have fun after.

Get your ship, fit it the way you like, train your skill then - participate in a fleet where you listen to orders for 1 hour. There is some fun/and challenge when playing logistics, where you get to use your own skills and make decisions, but not so much. Fleet battles could be replaced by a RTS where the FC just controls every other ship, because there is nothing for fleet members to do except - align, warp, target, shoot.

Besides this, fleet battles where equal opponents meet are very rare. First I get bored because all I do is press buttons as ordered for 1 hour, then I get bored because the other fleet did not show up, or the other fleet showed up and my fleet avoided them. Or someone - the enemy or my fleet fough but it was one sided battle. And even if the battle is equal, it's totally boring. Just give the FC his own RTS.

Then, CCP organizes the "annual tournament". I wonder why do they organize it between equal teams (in terms of ships) and in Jovian space where they can't be disturbed... A mistery! They should create random teams both in terms of numbers and ships, then show players the reality of EVE - a 30 man gatecamp, getting bored for 30 min, then cheering when they kill one frigate. Fleets in EVE are mostly social events where people talk and pretend to play a spaceship game.

Short story: I ask again for players tools to organize their own in-game tournaments, and have some fun. I want to be able to participate in a meaningful and equal fight every evening, without the trouble of having to organize a tournament. I am busy enough irl. Else, - CCP should hold their tournament somewhere in null-sec, let's see how fun is that going to be and who is going to even participate.

Another thread of mine requesting the same thing:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6512364#post651236
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#2 - 2016-07-23 08:59:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Rivr Luzade
No one is going to participate because it will get disrupted immediately because -- as you mentioned -- boredom. And because the ships in these tournament fleets are easy prey.

And just like in your older thread -- which you could have asked to get unlocked in order to contribute more ideas to the existing "I want Arenas" thread instead of creating another redundant "I want Arenas" thread --, the tools to create tournaments in game are already there. Will it be difficult to maintain? With the requirement of the possibility to disrupt matches that you yourself demand, sure, it will be. But why should it be easy? Or why should CCP setup this tournament where it can be disrupted? Just so that the players do not need to put in the effort? That's a sound logic.

And just like in your older "I want Arena" thread: No, we do not need arenas. We need more people who actually do things in space instead. And we need more things to do that make people travel around space for meaningful reasons, like Random Agents in Landmark and Natural Phenoma sites.

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Tian Toralen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3 - 2016-07-23 09:19:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Tian Toralen
Rivr Luzade wrote:
No one is going to participate because it will get disrupted immediately because -- as you mentioned -- boredom. And because the ships in these tournament fleets are easy prey.

And just like in your older thread -- which you could have asked to get unlocked in order to contribute more ideas to the existing "I want Arenas" thread instead of creating another redundant "I want Arenas" thread --, the tools to create tournaments in game are already there. Will it be difficult to maintain? With the requirement of the possibility to disrupt matches that you yourself demand, sure, it will be. But why should it be easy? Or why should CCP setup this tournament where it can be disrupted? Just so that the players do not need to put in the effort? That's a sound logic.

And just like in your older "I want Arena" thread: No, we do not need arenas. We need more people who actually do things in space instead. And we need more things to do that make people travel around space for meaningful reasons, like Random Agents in Landmark and Natural Phenoma sites.


No arenas. Just safe spots "created by pirate factions" in certain low/null systems. Players can use these for their tournaments. They still have to bring ships there. Safe spot has a time duration, once warped in players can't warp out, and the game does not decide the winner. Whoever is left is the winner, or - nobody if both teams/players survive until the safe spot is gone and warp out.

An in-game "tournament brakets" page could be useful, this page would be visible to players taking part, and it could be modified by the organisers. The difference from now is - those low/null systems where pirates give (maybe sell?) safe spots, would see almost continuous tournaments and duels.
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#4 - 2016-07-23 10:14:14 UTC
No, set these things up yourself.

You're in Waffe. Space Violence did this with frigs a month or so ago, and it worked just fine. Bullshit instanced arenas are not needed.
Celthric Kanerian
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2016-07-23 11:21:44 UTC
Tian Toralen wrote:

Get your ship, fit it the way you like, train your skill then - participate in a fleet where you listen to orders for 1 hour. There is some fun/and challenge when playing logistics, where you get to use your own skills and make decisions, but not so much. Fleet battles could be replaced by a RTS where the FC just controls every other ship, because there is nothing for fleet members to do except - align, warp, target, shoot.


This section right here gives me two guesses about you:
1. Sounds like you need a break.
or
2. EVE isn't the right game for you.

Just a thought.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#6 - 2016-07-24 19:55:44 UTC
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