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Exploration Combat sites - Advice on Worm.

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Lyssir Akiga
Kupo Corp
#1 - 2016-07-18 21:25:26 UTC
Hi there. After a little bit of research and observing other players in combat sites, i noticed drone boats where very popular for 1-4 Deds. Ideally i would have liked to been able to fly a stratios, but you know.... needs a lot of ISK.

Sooooo, found out the Worm is decent and came up with this fitting:

[Worm, Worm - Basic Exploration Combats]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

1MN Afterburner II
Kinetic Deflection Amplifier I
Kinetic Deflection Amplifier I
Small C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I

Core Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I
Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile
Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile

Small Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II
Small Ionic Field Projector I
Small Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II

Hornet II x5


This fit is approx 75m, could i have some constructive critique please?

Thanks!


elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
Brave Collective
#2 - 2016-07-19 10:18:54 UTC
My advise, do not undock a Worm with that fit - ever!

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Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2016-07-19 14:17:53 UTC
elitatwo wrote:
My advise, do not undock a Worm with that fit - ever!


telling him why you think this would have made your post, at the very least, useful.

@OP

your fit looks fine for up to 4/10 DEDs, I assume you are guristas/serpentis space?
Lyssir Akiga
Kupo Corp
#4 - 2016-07-19 16:28:54 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
elitatwo wrote:
My advise, do not undock a Worm with that fit - ever!


telling him why you think this would have made your post, at the very least, useful.

@OP

your fit looks fine for up to 4/10 DEDs, I assume you are guristas/serpentis space?



Hi!

Yeah its for Gurista / Serps, i have been flying a Hawk, but wanted to be able to use Drones and have an alternative to an active missile boat.


Thanks for the troll shaming!

:)
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
Brave Collective
#5 - 2016-07-19 21:18:57 UTC
Lyssir Akiga wrote:
...Thanks for the troll shaming!


Tsukino knows very well why I said that. It was genuine good advice. Dat fit has zero buffer and a DED 2 /10 will be the end of that Worm.

Why is it that I still have write an essay for each and every ship? I wrote a whole guide to read for everyone. You were asking what we think, that is what I am thinking.

Knowing my DED complexes, even Guristas do a little thermal damage and - shocking - EM damage. One web and your Worm goes poof, plain and simple.

The base premise of that fit is okay-ish but there still is a shield extender missing. Your tank is the afterburner not a small shield booster.

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Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2016-07-19 23:21:30 UTC
it's got plenty of natural buffer, you're just plain wrong.
aldhura
Blackjack and Exotic Dancers
Top Tier
#7 - 2016-07-19 23:38:22 UTC
vexor navy or gila if you can afford it. Normal vexor will work also.
Vexor navy can launch 5 sentries which is great so you can easily recall then when they get shot at.
Aesgeir Blackwolf
Doomheim
#8 - 2016-07-20 02:11:06 UTC
Check out Jonnypew on Youtube he has a Worm fit that is built for Exploration and works really well.
Aesgeir Blackwolf
Doomheim
#9 - 2016-07-20 02:11:57 UTC
Delete this reply
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
Brave Collective
#10 - 2016-07-20 03:05:34 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
it's got plenty of natural buffer, you're just plain wrong.


I hate to break it to you but the question was what we were thinking about that fit. If you do not like what I think, that is on you.

Just to make sure you can follow, I was flying the Merlin long before Apocrypha was even considered.

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Roenok Baalnorn
Sadistically Sinister
#11 - 2016-07-20 17:17:12 UTC
[Worm, Worm - Basic Exploration Combats]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Domination 1MN Afterburner
Gistii B-Type Small Shield Booster
Pithum B-Type Kinetic Deflection Amplifier
Pithum B-Type Kinetic Deflection Amplifier

Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe
Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile
Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile

Small Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II
Small Processor Overclocking Unit I
Small Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II

Hornet II x2

I modified your fit. This fit is more expensive about 3 times more expensive at 235 mil. But if your going to fly a 70 mil faction frigate, you might as well give it the love it deserves. Especially in a relatively safe environment. What you lose is about 5km to targeting range but you gain a bit more speed, 25% more EHP against guristas( 1700 EHP roughly), twice the sustained tank and its cap stable so you can run everything all the time( which i love because i always forget to turn boosters off) better scan strength( which is quite helpful on an unbonused ship) and the same dps.

Quote:
Tsukino knows very well why I said that. It was genuine good advice. Dat fit has zero buffer and a DED 2 /10 will be the end of that Worm.

Why is it that I still have write an essay for each and every ship? I wrote a whole guide to read for everyone. You were asking what we think, that is what I am thinking.

Knowing my DED complexes, even Guristas do a little thermal damage and - shocking - EM damage. One web and your Worm goes poof, plain and simple.

The base premise of that fit is okay-ish but there still is a shield extender missing. Your tank is the afterburner not a small shield booster.
I can and have run a 2/10 guristas in a kestrel on a 1 mil sp alt and recently. If guristas did do Em which is unlikely except for maybe a special case, its not even worth mentioning. The only high sec case i know of with a web is the 2/10 merchant depot in the second room their are 3 web towers and 3 sentry towers and the commander. It shouldnt be hard to tank that room for a couple of minutes while you take out the commander and sentries. Even if you could only tank it long enough to kill one thing. You still have the option to warp out. So i would hardly consider that the death of his worm unless he is completely clueless.

Webs are only the death of you if you are also scrammed. And removing scrams should be first priority. As far as i can remember, and ive ran many high sec guristas recently, no ships scram you. I may of missed one or i may be a special snowflake, but im pretty sure being scrammed was never a concern. It was all the jams that were the problem.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2016-07-20 22:30:15 UTC
elitatwo wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
it's got plenty of natural buffer, you're just plain wrong.


I hate to break it to you but the question was what we were thinking about that fit. If you do not like what I think, that is on you.

Just to make sure you can follow, I was flying the Merlin long before Apocrypha was even considered.


Merlin...............?

It's not that I do not like what you think. The facts in terms of what kind of DPS you get in DED complexes compared to the OPs fit means that you are wrong.
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
Brave Collective
#13 - 2016-07-21 06:38:32 UTC
Roenok Baalnorn wrote:
...I can and have run a 2/10 guristas in a kestrel on a 1 mil sp alt and recently. If guristas did do Em which is unlikely except for maybe a special case, its not even worth mentioning. The only high sec case i know of with a web is the 2/10 merchant depot in the second room their are 3 web towers and 3 sentry towers and the commander. It shouldnt be hard to tank that room for a couple of minutes while you take out the commander and sentries. Even if you could only tank it long enough to kill one thing. You still have the option to warp out. So i would hardly consider that the death of his worm unless he is completely clueless.

Webs are only the death of you if you are also scrammed. And removing scrams should be first priority. As far as i can remember, and ive ran many high sec guristas recently, no ships scram you. I may of missed one or i may be a special snowflake, but im pretty sure being scrammed was never a concern. It was all the jams that were the problem.


I never doubted your abilities and the Worm is by far the best ship for the task bar none. And since jams will be a problem, my advise was to increase the buffer, so the shield regen goes up.
Overtanking kinetic resistance will look good on the fitting screen but the native resistance will be enough as long as he keeps moving.

The goal is to mitigate as much damage as possible by moving, in case of the Worm doing a DED 4/10 would be to select a "bunker" or a gate an orbit at as much range (orbit current) as possible.
Since he will get jammed a lot, he should be orbiting at 30km and bring a lot of scourge fof light missiles and wait until he can proceed.
In the long run, he may want to get a Gila until he runs into a "Maze" which will vaporize a Gila or Rattlesnake with an overtanked kinetic resist tank with a mjolnir citadel torpedo.

I am not entirely sure it was a DED or that COSMOS Guristas thing in The Forge, where the Guristas had mjolnir heavy missiles (used to be Thunderbolt missiles). The 5/10 was not so bad but he should have a Gila for that.


@Tsukino,
Oouuuh. Why didn't you say so? I still think that a medium shield extender would serve him better than another kinetic resist mod.
And the Merlin used to have 2x missile launcher and 2x turret slots but the native resist bonus and the four medium slots didn't change.
Since I trained turrets only 5 years ago, I used to fly her with 2x light missile launchers in my first days as a capsuleer. In my experience it was better to fit a shield extender than more resistance. It is more forgiving to fly if something goes south.

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Mysa
EVIL PLANKTON
#14 - 2016-07-21 13:41:36 UTC
I have posted this fit a couple of times Before, you might wanna give that gray SEARCH FORUMS box to your upper right a spinn ok?

[Worm, krabs]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Coreli A-Type 5MN Microwarpdrive
Gistii A-Type Small Shield Booster
Gist A-Type Thermal Dissipation Field
Republic Fleet Small Cap Battery

Arbalest Compact Light Missile Launcher, Mjolnir Light Missile
Arbalest Compact Light Missile Launcher, Mjolnir Light Missile
Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe

Small Drone Speed Augmentor II
Small Low Friction Nozzle Joints II
Small Ionic Field Projector II

'Augmented' Hobgoblin x4
Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile x3000
Nanite Repair Paste x80
Sisters Core Scanner Probe x16


Swap shield hardener and drones per faction you fighting. This will complete ALL faction 1-4/10 deds solo and its newbro friendly. IF you dont pack a genos 1-4 set implants you nedd a CPU implant giving you 5 cpu extra depending on your amout of electonics sp!

Mysa
EVIL PLANKTON
#15 - 2016-07-21 13:42:22 UTC
Mysa wrote:
I have posted this fit a couple of times Before, you might wanna give that gray(grey) SEARCH FORUMS box to your upper right a spinn ok?

[Worm, krabs]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Coreli A-Type 5MN Microwarpdrive
Gistii A-Type Small Shield Booster
Gist A-Type Thermal Dissipation Field
Republic Fleet Small Cap Battery

Arbalest Compact Light Missile Launcher, Mjolnir Light Missile
Arbalest Compact Light Missile Launcher, Mjolnir Light Missile
Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe

Small Drone Speed Augmentor II
Small Low Friction Nozzle Joints II
Small Ionic Field Projector II

'Augmented' Hobgoblin x4
Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile x3000
Nanite Repair Paste x80
Sisters Core Scanner Probe x16


Swap shield hardener and drones per faction you fighting. This will complete ALL faction 1-4/10 deds solo and its newbro friendly. IF you dont pack a genos 1-4 set implants you nedd a CPU implant giving you 5 cpu extra depending on your amout of electonics sp!


Mysa
EVIL PLANKTON
#16 - 2016-07-21 13:43:10 UTC
its how to "yolo" forums..
Lyssir Akiga
Kupo Corp
#17 - 2016-07-21 14:44:22 UTC
Referring back to my original post. Didnt want to spent loads of ISK.


This fitting is ridiculously expensive.... 330m for a worm fit! :O
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
Brave Collective
#18 - 2016-07-21 16:32:47 UTC
Lyssir Akiga wrote:
Referring back to my original post. Didnt want to spent loads of ISK.


This fitting is ridiculously expensive.... 330m for a worm fit! :O


Fly and Ishkur instead?

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