EVE General Discussion

While I will not argue against mobile phones usage taking over the share of PC for recreational use, for eve players who are really (still) into the whole thing this actually made EVE more engaging and accessible than ever.

People are using Slack & Reddit from their phone to stay in touch with eve community even when they have no access to PC. Nice/lol Kill mails/screenshots are shared instantly over slack/imgur link.

There are tools (both on android & iphone) to make skill queue plans and even try ship fits on your smart phone. You can check your trade account's wallet transactions & industry jobs, contracts status, etc.

Going beyond the dedicated apps for EVE, it's very easy to use things like google docs to share industry plans and there are accessible online database/resources you can reach wherever you are.

Heck, you can even 'make ISK' by gambling on sites like iwantisk or EVE Bet from your phone (hitting Jackpots while laying on bed with a phone rocks lol)

I spend MUCH less time logged in game now, but I'm more engaged with the game world and community than ever before. Me and corp mates share industry plans & have shared documents to check for materials in stock/in need/in courier, etc. We can track our assets & easily analyse trade activities using tracking tools.

While I'm on a train, or sitting on a bus, or have a few minutes waiting around here and there, I spend great deal of time doing/checking eve related stuff on my phone, and keep up to date with alliance stuff on slack.

So yes, general public may be more inclined towards playing games on smart phones now, but for those who have love for this game have adapted the new technologies & use it to be engaged with the game even more than before.

Yes, it is because solo players are leaving.

No. Just no.

Sure, but not a downward trend. No...there is something else at work, maybe several things. People moving on to other games. The game itself changing.

For me there are 2 types of games (generally speaking, sometimes the lines are blurred.. but remember, this is PERSONAL for ME)

1) Competitive - I play these games to get my competitive juices going! Planetside 2, Counter-Strike: Source, WoW PvP. There is great joy in "outplaying" your opponents, and the skill required to be top level at the games is very very hard to achieve and very little people ever actually achieve that level of dominance.

2) Chill - These are non competitive, low level skill based games. I'm talking FFX, single player Total War campaigns on easy, and a game like Super Mario Galaxy.

The problem with Eve for ME PERSONALLY, is that is doesn't do either of these things very well. The battle system in Eve online is extremely boring, you lock targets and activate appropriate weapons / modules. Not very exciting just doing such a simple task. The cut scenes show space ships RACING through space at high speeds shooting and doing amazing maneuvers... but when you actually get to playing PvP, it's nothing like you imagined it before you played the game. It's a big let down really...

The chill part is what I like more about eve, but even than, the line between chill/boring is very slim. When I first looked at the map, I was awe struck. "Wow, what an AMAZING universe! It's so expansive! I can't wait to travel through the lands." This was me on day 1 playing Eve.

Than I realized 1 into my game session.... Every galaxy is basically the same, and that giant map I was impressed about.... Well, it seemed a lot less impressive when you realize every system is basically the exact same. They didnt even design the world that much, apparently they just let RNG computer design the systems. Cant blame them, cause there are so many systems.... I guess you cant choose how to design every single one...

My point though, Eve online players like to brag about how big their world is, but it really is just recycled like crazy. When you look at a game like The Elder Scrolls: Skyrim, or even Final Fantasy Games. You look at the map, and it isn't expansive as the Eve map, but every location is unique and had time and energy into crafting that piece of the world.

It really has nothing to do with the players... Eve online players like to brag how their players are elite gamers and such... I mean every big games player base is pretty similar with MMOs.

Basically, before I played eve online, everyone who played the game who would post on online forums about the game would go on about how it's the deepest and best game ever...

I would say this game is one of the most over hyped games on the market. That is why so many people try the trial, but keeping people after the trial is the hard part.

You do know there is this thing called Dotlan right? You can go there and look at things like security of a system, number of kills and number of asteroid belts. You can find a good place to mine where you are less likely to be attacked.

Also, the days of mining and not paying attention are over. You should set CODE. and other gankers red. Move local to its own dedicated spot on the UI and keep an eye on it.

In fact, you might want to consider moving to NS. CODE. has brought a taste of NS to HS. In NS you have to watch for hostiles. You'll get better ore as well. Yes, you'll have to go out with whatever alliance/corporation you join and defend your space/go on deployments, but hey event that can be fun. In fact, it is more fun than just grinding down rocks, IMO.




If you feel a sense of acomplishment mining out an astroid....well you have a low bar, IMO.

I might be able to help you here Thomas.

The drawback you are talking about is really an interface one. People are actually very lazy pilots in EVE.

They set Orbit or Keep at Range and it's somewhat boring. Me, I'm a long range shooter so I need to be stable to hit small targets at long distances so my general speed in space is 0 m/s. Super boring when flying is your thing. However, that's little different than I am in WoW. A hunter that sends their pet and shoots from a single spot (when convenient) against a target. So, my style really doesn't vary and boring to a real pilot/mover.

I'd suggest you actually pilot your ship. I've been doing this more and more, manually flying my ship in relation to targets. My latest thing is to 'gather' all my targets together by zipping around and getting them roughly in a 10km bubble then flying to keep them at an optimal medium range for my T2 Rails. I'm not setting Orbit or Keep at Range, I'm actually using the arrow keys to fly the ship... and it works. It's more work than just Orbit or KaR, but it's more fun, challenging and I take out my targets faster without all the target changing and Orbit/KaR commands.

Try it, see if it helps you have a bit more fun.

Low sec is more chaotic than most of null sec.

I see adds in my browser all the time.

EVE has a lot of problems. I'm not disagreeing that is one of them...but I don't think it is "The Biggest Problem" in all of EVE...

I thought I was pretty clear about that...

Having played WoW to see what all the hype was about a few years ago, I can tell you the pvp system in WoW is lol. You have special pvp only gear. That gives players that wear it a huge advantage. If you win battlegrounds is pretty much based on if your side has the better gear or the other side. There is no balance at all to the gear as you level or from one set to the next at the same level. And open world pvp is just as terrible. The skill system is almost completely linear and the only thing to do is to grind raids and battlegrounds for better gear all day.

Despite you controlling a single ship, eve is more of a strategy combat game than a shoot up style. Eve is also a sandbox. It is was you make of it. There is no set gameplay or purpose like most games. Your not the hero on some predetermined path. Your just a guy and his ship and the rest is up to you.

Many people who are use to scripted games where you follow a story line cant get there head around eve. What do you do in this game? Where do i go? Whatever you want. I dont understand? Some direction? What am i suppose to be doing? Whatever you want to do. I just dont understand how to play this game or what im suppose to be doing!!!!

Some people cannot wrap their head around an open sandbox concept and creating their own content. They are use to doing the reactions rather than the actions. They are use to someone telling them you need to go here, find that item, kill that npc, etc. I love sandbox RTS games and thus eve really resonated with me.



Eve is a game you have to give a decent chance too. Honestly 14 days isnt enough of a trial. My friend from another game who started playing it about 6 months before i did kept prodding me into sticking with it those first couple of months. "Dude, you will love it im telling you. Just stick with it a couple of months until you get some decent training under your belt and it will get a lot better. " I stuck with it and as i could do more and things became easier and i knew the basics of the game, i loved it just like he said. That was almost a decade ago.

If this game is so boring, so over hyped why are their so many players that stick around for years? Ive never found another game MMO or otherwise that i played for more than a couple of years.. except eve. And their are a lot of players that been playing a lot longer than me that still play today. I mean if we started in our 20s, we would be pushing 40s now. Thats a long time to play a single game.

All games have a high amount of newbies that dont stick with the game. Because people are looking for something they like. For example i mentioned wow earlier. I player wow for maybe 14 months and i got bored of it. I started in cataclysm and was done with the introduction of kung fu pandas. I do like medieval style games, so i tried what many called a wow clone "Rift" I thought rift was a lot better game than WoW and played it on and off about 2 years. My problem with Rift was the social aspect didnt resonate with me. It just seemed really solo most of the time.

Eve has a steep learning curve and starts out hard and gets easier as you go. In eve you have to entertain yourself using tools provided for you in the game. Thats a lot more difficult in the beginning because you have a very limited selection of tools available to you and no game knowledge. But once you play awhile there is all kinds of things to do. You just have to someone that can create their own content rather than follow a scripted path.