Ships & Modules

Greetings Everyone, I am really torn between the Napoc and the Nightmare for a level 4 missions boat. I've been out of the loop for a while and wondering if the Nightmare was still the one to get when it comes to level 4 missions?

I'm after a solid tank that is cap stable that can solo level 4's with little issue, and i am an armor tanker by preference. Any advice would be appreciated, thank you.

A cap stable Napoc is a really bad Napoc and a well fitted one makes good sense given the other options you have. On the other hand, given how cheap funky mods are these days you can "bling" a shield Nightmare without it becoming a gank target and it's actually easier to achieve near stable fit without it being a crap fit, this is mostly due to the NM only having 4 guns. NM is never going to have a massive tank (in a good fit) but normally it doesn't really need it, it's pretty much MADE to be used with Tachyons so you'll be medium to long range most of the time.

The Paladin is indeed the king, the marauderest of all the marauders and another Tach boat. It's glorious.

Pretty sure above post is non serious. But...

NightMare works well with tachs because it can control range easily. The same reason is true for pulses. But if you fit for pulses, you normally need to sacrifice more slots to tank. And given how good tachs are compared to other lr weapon systems, a nm with tachs is just as viable as with pulses. It's the same as the paladin - there's no clear answer as to whether you should pick one over the other.

Back to the original question op - the nightmare is one of those boats that can be shield or armour tanked. An armour tank has slightly lower dps, but goes a long way to solving your cap issues, particularly against blood or sansha rats.

Don't use cap stable as a goal for missioning, it's lazy and you're holding the ship back from it's actual potential.

Cap stability is something you need when you are doing something with cap warfare, wormhole anomalies and level 5 missions come to mind for this.

For L4, where sufficient shield tank can easily accomodate a tracking computer or two in addition to a tracking enhancer or two in the lows, I can't think of any reason why you'd armor fit a Nightmare :p

why is it unhealthy to want to be efficient?

In reverse to this I would say it's unhealthy to be ok with being less efficient when you have the means within your grasp.

Time is the number one commodity in eve, I rather use it effectively when I have it than pander it attempting to make it "afkable"

When I'm playing eve, I'm playing eve, not trying to run facebook and pokemon go while doing level 4 missions.

but i did a shield Napoc for L4. works same as armor Napoc. same dps, same range...

I'll always fly the NM over the apoc or napoc. Between a bonused AB (what planet did i wake up on where gist x- tupe ABs are only 40 million isk?) and a mjd you can control range and still get aroumd mission grid quickly, at MJD range your sheilds dont take very much npc damage. Only running four vs eight energy turrets is a lot easier on your cap. Between sniping ranges and the tracking bonus, damage application on tachs is really good (not that it really matters when you mjd away and every agressed rat is burning towards you with zero transversal, though).

Armor definetly has a better resist profile for blood and sanshas, but the fact that they use tracking disruptors a lot makes clearing missions in a turret boat an exercise in frustration. If you are committed to energy turrets and are running primarily sansha and blood raiders missions, consider the navy issue geddon, it has got the bandwidth to run five sentry drones which you can use to pop those pesky ewar ships that disrupt you down to blaster range, and enough low slots to fit three heatsinks, a reasonable tank, and a drone damage amplifier. Youll need a cpu implant to make the most of it.

That may be true, but I think there's something to be said for "learning the value of a dollar". I have never sold a plex - I've grinded for every last credit. And during that length of time, I've learned the value of isk, and how quickly it can be lost. I've learned the game mechanics and I know better how to safeguard what I have.

A lot of words were spilled over skill injectors and how slow skill progression gives you time to learn the game, I feel the same argument holds true for isk as well. I recall a video of some kid who bought a character and a bunch of capitals, that he lost within like 48 hours. He was almost bragging about it in audio chat with the someone who recorded it. Grinding for isk helps keep people's head out of the clouds and instead, grounded in reality. When losing a carrier means being out a significant chunk of your in-game earnings, that's a lot different than being out your Sunday morning Starbucks routine once.

I asked you first since you are the heretic that wants to violate a Nightmare with armor reps.