EVE General Discussion

Hmmm... so if CCP came out with an EVE-tie-in that was a little like Pokemon Go, where we'd hunt each other based on coordinates given on our smart phones? Wait, Never Mind! Real life ganking doesn't allow for waking up in a clone bay! Don't do it, CCP!!!

Since 2-3 years, CCP is using a great amount of energy to waste our gameplay. It has been the new map, the new scanning interface, the new icons, the new UI, the new camera, etc etc... each time forcing it on us despite a huge negative feedback during the tests.
Each time we've had to fight hard here to make these incompetent changes optionals.
That's the reason why i have left for one year.
Now, with the last station camera, we've had to fight again to have it optional, but at least it did not take them long to react and give us the choice, which. after all, is the best way to keep everyone happy.
When i leave EVE, it's always because of CCP's stupid choices. I'm not going to describe them again here, but trust me, the list is long...

OMG this is hilarious. Whoever dreamed this up should write for stand-up comics...fracking loans....hooboy.

Super powers don't owe debts. All they do when they want to write off loans is declare them void.

It's an acquired taste and is not for everyone. It can be hard to get started, less so now than when I first played, but the learning curve is something that needs a lot of work to master.

Again, the atmosphere is not to everyone's taste, it can be pretty cold and hostile, which is something that CCP deliberately went for. So people can be hurt and think, "That's not for me."

Having said that EVE can get under your skin, I can't seem to get to grips with all the back-stabbing, griefing and so on that are part of the game, but I have just come back from a lay-off of about 18 months. There's something about the game that draws me back again and again.

ooohh shiieeeitt!! =( , well i just want to play like always, but i want more ppl to play, i also left for a time, but i do thing NULL needs more incentive to be wanted, like a lot more!

I find it ironic how people complain about plex prices while stashing it by the thousands.

If CCP had implemented Walking in stations , Walking on planets. PLanetary vehicles and planeraty industry / farming etc. Then the game would be busting the 100k Subs online mark right now. The server infrastructure would need upgrading it would be so active.

The core of the game is pvp and to get people to fight. That core must be supported by a pve sector. I agree the PVE in this game is boring as hell. All the sites are the same across all factions. They basically used a template to reproduce the same site with a different faction of ships. I dont know how they do it, but when i do such things using dev tools to mod a game i can build a site as simple as an anom in about 10-15 minutes from scratch in other games. Sometime like a mission or plex would take me 15-45 minutes. And i just dabble in modding game. I didnt actually go to school for it.

Their answer for this: Lets add "god mode/ you will not survive" sites! Ghost sites some of which appear in high, you are just opening cans thinking finally they made sites worth doing, and then boom rats warp in and insta pop you with there IED cans. And you are like WTF this is a 0.8 system! Turns out you need a well tanked( read slow) ship to run them. And then we have the super dreads that just hotdrop you in anoms. Yes thats fun. Nothing like an Ewar toting, tacklenought, that does good dps and tanks like an entire wave of normal rats. None of this makes sites more fun. It makes it more of a pain in the ass and only enhances one displeasure of grinding. Pvers tend to want to do things that put their ships at grave risk when they have other options. That is why high sec is so overly populated and should be CCPs first big clue.

Mining is boring and always has been. I dont think there is anything you can do to making mining entertaining...well maybe if you seriously revamped the whole mining system. Any space game in which i had to mine in, it was the least enjoyable part of the game. The human mind is sort of built to enjoy rewards especially surprise high value rewards even if those rewards are few and far between. That is how P2Ws get people to spend their entire savings on a game. Mining, in any game, offers no reward. It is like cutting grass, washing dishes, or cleaning out your car. Its a necessary evil most people want to put off till the second tuesday of the week.


Plex went up slightly on the cash side. It use to cost $35 on a third party site( battleclinic) for 60 day GTC. It now cost $40. That contributed some to the increase in cost. Some more of the cost comes from flexibility in how you can convert real money into isk. Plex use to be the only way to do that. Now their are other ways to do that. I would say the AUR store in general has drove the price up.

Another big factor is Ihubs and the butterfly effect. Ihubs made deadspace and pirate faction more available on the market. Changes to locating sites also made it easier and faster to find combat sites. People that do this for isk started making a lot of isk. This influx of deadspace and faction made such things fairly cheap, while the people that find it got super rich. 900 mil isk is really nothing in null. thats like 300 mil in high sec. The price of the high end stuff has went down and the price of the low end stuff has went up.

The mineral market is actually much higher now than it was 5 years ago and i actually stumbled across an old grismar ore page that gave mineral prices...for early 2007. Trit = 2.37(5.79 now), Pyer= 4 (9.28 now), mexa=21(74.80 now), isogen=64.06(91.08), Nocx=93.76(479.96), Zydrine and Mega lost half their value while morphite lost about 15% of its value. That has to do a lot with the changes to ores, drone poop, and recycling of modules( which most people dont even bother to pick up anymore)

Over the price of a plex reflects how hard it is to make money in Eve. And its not that hard to make isk in eve unless you are a grind/wage slave and do the whole x amount of work= y amount of isk per hour. Risk and thinking outside of the box are the big pay offs in eve. Grinding missions and mining are like working front line at mc donalds.


I disagree with the first part of your statement. People fly a lot more different ships now. Use too each race had a best in class for each class of ship and all the others were trash. Now each ship has more of a purpose based on what you are doing. I fly far more different ships now in pvp fleets than i ever did before. And i fit them differently. Usually having 2 or 3 fits per ship depending on situation.

However i do agree with you about module tiericide. What they should of did was cut the mat requirements of t1 modules in half, increased the cost of t2 modules by 50% And then adjusted drop rates of the t1 metas so meta 4 was more rare and more expensive than a meta 2. As you go up from meta 1 to meta 5 the pg/cpu requirements increase very slightly per meta. Then made some slight changes to faction mods and above. What they did was heavy handed and dumb the module part of the game down to WoW level.

I am probably all alone on this boat but I started playing EVE during promise of human avatar gameplay and I would play much more EVE if that had come true. But it didnt.