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Gates and Wormholes

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Gorath Vaan
Cause of Crisis
#1 - 2016-07-16 14:30:44 UTC
Will it ever be possible for Corps to construct player owned password protected star-gates to keep wormholes open indefinitely?
Trobax
Doomheim
#2 - 2016-07-16 14:36:21 UTC
I don't think CCP wants direct links to wormholes. You are proposing something that only a corporation can use , no one else.

Would that mean that if i find your wormhole, i can create a direct link to it via a gate and raid you till you lose everything?
Celthric Kanerian
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2016-07-16 19:53:54 UTC
Eventually we'll be given Stargates such as show in the cinematic "Prophecy"
Lugh Crow-Slave
#4 - 2016-07-17 02:23:58 UTC
Gorath Vaan wrote:
hey guys you know that great part about wh space that makes it impossible for large groups to hold entire regions, giving way to let corps of all sizes hold systems? we need to get rid of that
Gorath Vaan
Cause of Crisis
#5 - 2016-07-17 09:09:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Gorath Vaan
[quote=Trobax]I don't think CCP wants direct links to wormholes. You are proposing something that only a corporation can use , no one else./quote]

I mean star-gates are controlled, contained portals... it seems to me like they were constructed around the ends of existing wormholes in space or by New Eden's first settlers .. holding open that corridor permanently.

In Eve, that means that there existed a tec that could do this. (There are theories in RL of holding open and Einstein–Rosen bridge (wh) to facilitate interstellar travel, if and when it becomes possible.)

So, in Eve, it struck me that if an Alliance or Corp had the tec, the isk and the will, they could secure a few WH systems... with a gate or two and a password... the gates would have to be destructable, or at least capturable... but it would allow pockets of WH to be colonized as per null sec, albeit at huge logistic and economic cost.
Trobax
Doomheim
#6 - 2016-07-17 09:42:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Trobax
As I said, I don't think ccp wants any kind of direct links to wh space. Either these gates will expand the map to another area like whs did, or they will serve as "privileged" jump bridges, only authorized people can use them.

On the other hand, a gate could also allow for supers to go through, and then it will become impossible to even challenge the wh owners, once they have settled.

If you want a player induced link to a wh for logistic purposes, you would have to come up with a way that isn't permanent, and has frequency limitations. You would probably need a Titan class vessel to accommodate it, and some sort of new module to initiate the point of origin / destination.

A perma link to a wh is a thought, but also affects wh mechanics as they stand today. And takes away the risk to a certain extend. If risk goes down, so should reward.

I don't think there is a need for direct links from K to W space. It will either be K-->K or W-->W.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#7 - 2016-07-18 02:31:15 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
Gorath Vaan wrote:
Trobax wrote:
I don't think CCP wants direct links to wormholes. You are proposing something that only a corporation can use , no one else.


I mean star-gates are controlled, contained portals... it seems to me like they were constructed around the ends of existing wormholes in space or by New Eden's first settlers .. holding open that corridor permanently.

Errr... no. That's not how the original gates were made.

Timeline
Interstellar Travel

The original settlers of New Eden came from the Milky way via a massive wormhole nicknamed the "EVE Gate."
From there, they constructed stargates the "old fashioned way" by making a gate in one system and then building a counterpart gate in another system (after travelling there using "conventional" means). Rinse and repeat.

The "EVE Gate" stayed open for about a couple hundred years. However, even with special equipment designed to stabilize it, it collapsed and sent all the colonies back to the "dark ages" (no joke... most of the colonies either died out or lost almost all information and technology on where they came from).

Fast forward about 15000 years and the people of New Eden are back in space... but still not quite at the same technological level as their forbears.


Gorath Vaan wrote:
So, in Eve, it struck me that if an Alliance or Corp had the tec, the isk and the will, they could secure a few WH systems... with a gate or two and a password... the gates would have to be destructable, or at least capturable... but it would allow pockets of WH to be colonized as per null sec, albeit at huge logistic and economic cost.

From a gameplay perspective, this does a few things.

1a. By "password protecting" the gates It enables ratters and PvEers to essentially be safe from roaming loners or small gangs. No one should be safe in this way.

1b. Locking people out of "your" wormhole system effectively creates a level of SOV that "locks out" small groups of players... which wormholes are specifically geared towards.


2. It takes away from the "gimmick" of wormholes... that being "logistically difficult to live and work in and is completely insecure."
And yes... people do live in wormholes specifically because of those things (because they know that it dissuades other people from diving in to a wormhole in the first place).

NOTE: Say what you will... but by making certain things "inconvenient," "difficult" or without any sort of "claiming" mechanism you create a "barrier" of sorts that stops large groups from taking over.
This is not to say that a large group of players can't take over a wormhole... but the logistical challenges make it so difficult in the long run that it is not worth their time outside of "day trips."
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#8 - 2016-07-18 14:05:27 UTC
Gorath Vaan wrote:
Will it ever be possible for Corps to construct player owned password protected star-gates to keep wormholes open indefinitely?


As someone who has lived in wormholes for a while now, I sincerely hope this never happens.

This would just make WH space more like nullsec, and I would go insane if I had to live in null