Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Its interesting....
However, imho....

1) stick with only one Licens Type. Take Silver for example. Why? The threshold (150mil upwards -> shootable) is the same, therefor easier to calculate for victims that have no time.

2) The Hunter should be huntable. So he should be suspect even with high security status all the time. Why? For the Victim to have some counterplay available.

3) Allow all kinds of Ewar in Highsec. CONCORD only intervenes on damage dealt. Why? again, counterplay. this time counterplay against remoterepairs. Allowes for all sorts of very interesting escalation. (in case you wonder, the scorpion's EcmBurst can have a range of 60km which should clear all rookieshiptacklemods)

4)....

Thats it so far.

ps.: if a victim is docked in astrahus, i will blow it up to get my revenge via that nice podkillmail!

Then they get recycled. There is no way to force jita scammers out of a station and frankly, there is not a lot of them shitting up local.

I put this N 2 in the first post. Good idea. And this can make escorting a freighter of a valuable ship viable.

you wanna know something folks we've been looking at this whole bounty hunting system the wrong way this whole time we've been thinking about doing an entire overhaul on the bounty hunting system, when the answer was right in front of us the whole flipping time.

two words: KILL RIGHTS!

think about it what does everyone want? control of their money and being able to make money doing what they want. the addition can be done in some simple changes and steps..

a kill right will no longer just be handed out by concord but can be "bought" by the player that was grieved and or pissed off. for a simple payout of we'll say for a minimum of 5 mil and can exceed to any price the player desires depending on how pissed off he is.

so that player has just bought the kill right on the other player for we'll say 200 mil isk. and he Holds the kill right on that player.
now a few choices can be made by the player holding that kill right.

Choice 1:he can choose to demand that players request the kill right for the bounty. Thus solving the problem of high sec. because well, its a kill right.

Choice 2: player can choose if the bounty gets paid in full with the first person to destroy the pod of that player or in increments of the 200 mil. 25% or 50% for each time he is podded after the kill right is granted to a player.

Choice 3: after a Bounty Kill right has been granted by the holder the holder can place a time limit on how long the bounty hunter can hold the kill right 24h 48h 3 days a week etc. so if the bounty hunter doesn't kill him within that allotted time limit he loses the kill right and doesn't get the money (theres the incentive to actually hunt).

Choice 4: Bounty Kill right holder can decide to hand out to 1 player or several players to make sure he dies! so it adds a decent angle to the bounty hunting system on whose the better hunter.

now the matter of exploitation, it is legal per-say but there are things that can be done by the players to mitigate that, players that hold kill rights will receive and EVE-mail from a player 20 jumps away saying he has seen the guy you have a bounty on numerous times and has a good idea where he's hiding and where he likes to go. the player can then request an API key from the bounty hunter that contacted him thus being able to get a good idea if its an alt of the player he placed a bounty on and is trying to exploit him. if people don't do this then they get had by an alt account and if bounty hunters aren't willing to give out API keys like that then they don't do bounty hunting so precaution is a must. anyways, if the player holding the bounty kill right is satisfied that the player that contacted him isn't an alt and didn't see any signs that its an alt account belonging to the player he placed a bounty on then he grants the kill right and the hunt begins.

Alternatively, another choice can be made after the purchase of the bounty\kill right and decide if he wants it to be public knowledge so anyone can see the kill right\bounty and request to activate it or choose to keep it private until he finds someone to give the kill right\bounty to weather it be friends, corp mates or alliance mates he knows like to pursue the bounty hunter career.

tell me what you guys think. and DEVS i think this is actually brilliant. because lets face it how often to kill rights get bought by players? not very many. so you don't actually have to overhaul anything just tweak a couple game mechanics and kill two birds with one stone.

Anything I've seen in regard to this is when emergent behavior starts to go beyond what they intend for Hi Sec.

Hi Sec is still far more dangerous than it was 8-10 years ago.

The 20% they are currently at is almost break even for someone killing their own alts ships to clear a bounty. Any higher and you can make a profit clearing your own bounty.

Just make bounty contacts add a section for minimum isk destroyed for payout. Boom bounties are fixed.

You want to get really fancy let each kill count twords completion of the contract and put time limits on the contacts. I.e I give your alliance a contract to kill x amount of isk in damages to y alliance in a month. Each kill counts twords the contract. If you manage it you get the isk if not you get nothing.

Not only would this allow for actual bounties hunters to organize but it would help new merc corps get clients as there would be less risk in hiring them

I like the idea - but would request a way to restrict who can get a bounty to avoid abuse. I would suggest:


Add suspect level offenses to the Kill Right listings, instead of a kill-right, you can add a bounty. They act similar to kill-rights but instead of suspect they give limited engagement to the hunter - the one with the bounty gains limited engagement once engaged.
Also - the flow of ISK goes the other way.

Example: Somebody steals your loot from a site - you get a suspect notice, and can activate it for X ISK - you pay X ISK to give them the "Wanted Right". Interested parties may activate the wanted mark as they do for kill-rights - bounties are paid IN FULL only if ship is destroyed and can be activated as many times as players around. Payout is to players on Kill-Mail. ISK is returned after 30 days and "Wanted Right" expires.

Example: Somebody Interferes with a duel with neutral logistics. Logistics goes suspect, all limited engagement parties to the one being repaired gain suspect mails. For this I would also implement a Safety setting restriction on receiving repair effects. if Green setting is set - a repair that would require going suspect would FAIL.

To Avoid Abuse: "Wanted Rights" when created will have a setting for a minimum/select ship size. Example: 10 Million - but only if ship is bigger than a [Insert Ship Class(s)]. Essentially, would have select options for which ships classify.

Wanted Rights:
- Amount of Bounty: $$
Required Ship Class:
- Frigate
- Navy Frig
- Pirate Frig X
- T2 Frig X
- Cruiser
- Navy Cruiser X
- etc...


The person receiving the right / bounty will not get notice - but a full, search-able list should be available through the Bounty Office.

i think what needs to be done for making bounty hunting fun, its to remove the chasing factor of outlaws on high sec, isntead, let the police guard the gates and stations but leave the "hunting" to players so we can actually hunt players with low sec status when they go into high sec

The only way they could get around the abuse scenario would be to make bounty hunting an actual profession, like FW, so only Bounty hunters could take the bounties. That way you could regulate the hunters according to standing like they do in missions. Only Hunters with high enough standing can take targets of a higher payout. For example, the hunter would gain LP with the Hunters Assoc. (Factional Bounty office) and in order to take on a target they have to spend LP to get the contract. Then it's a profession, and not just anyone can join and self payout. Plus the larger targets that have huge bounties would cost more LP, so only payers who have been bounty hunters for a while could get them.

They should make an NPC corporation, or several, just for bounty hunters, with agents and missions to build up LP, and when players put up a contract it is assigned an LP value based on the amount of skill points the target has.

BOOM!...Bounty hunting Fixed Waiting for the update...lol