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So we're Dev Hacking Skill Injectors into existence now?

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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#1 - 2016-07-01 10:15:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6637
I just want to make sure we're all in agreement that it's okay to create SP from thin air, RE: the reward for Iceland winning the Euro football championship (go Iceland, yay football!)

OR will the Injectors be bought from the market using seized funds, in order to preserve the market instead of trampling it?

If the plan is to magick the Injectors into everyone's redeeming queue and we're okay with it, that means we've completely dropped the original reasoning that all SP will be generated by subscribed players. And I'm just curious if that has finally happened.



May I suggest giving 500k unallocated to each account instead? I guess the difference is your intent. Do you want me to have 500k SP, or do you want me to have an Injector.

I won't get more than 150k per Injector on my characters, so I would receive more benefit from 500k unallocated.

More importantly, there's the market supply to preserve. With 500k unallocated, you'd be giving us a free week of SP but we'd still have to consume an Extractor to put the free SP to market. It would be a lot more stable than a sudden flood of Injectors ready to sell.

Thanks.
chelly Dian
Iron Whales
Goonswarm Federation
#2 - 2016-07-01 10:28:00 UTC
Much like PLEX given away in Frost sites and once that CCP injected a large number of PLEX to stabilise market - they come from banned accounts for RMT.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#3 - 2016-07-01 10:30:40 UTC
do you know how many characters you'd have to extract to provide an injector to every active account Shocked
Neadayan Drakhon
Heuristic Industrial And Development
AddictClan
#4 - 2016-07-01 10:33:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Neadayan Drakhon
Rain6637 wrote:
do you know how many characters you'd have to extract to provide an injector to every active account Shocked

1 per active account of course; if you're talking about doing 1 extraction per character to make 1 injector per active account

otherwise it depends on how much sp the toon had to start with

in any case, I'm 100% against skill trading
chelly Dian
Iron Whales
Goonswarm Federation
#5 - 2016-07-01 10:37:09 UTC
Aprox 160k I would say

My number might be wrong.

Also CCP was beting on something like - if Trump wins and then decides to gove away his wealth and go live in Tibet as a monk we ill give out injectors.

Not out of realm possible.
Just amazingly unlikely.

I understand youre logic - its not the bet, its that they were ready to make SP out of thin air.
I would argue they wouldnt make it out of thin air, more likely take a "loan" in SP that would be covered by future RMT bans.
Yarosara Ruil
#6 - 2016-07-01 10:55:30 UTC
Here's hoping Iceland wins the Euro then! Just to annoy you guys.

I'm more hyped about Quafe SKINs though!
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#7 - 2016-07-01 11:06:07 UTC
Yarosara Ruil wrote:
Here's hoping Iceland wins the Euro then! Just to annoy you guys.

I'm more hyped about Quafe SKINs though!

I totally hope Iceland wins. I am American and impartial, because not EU and our football is different (and I'm sure Iceland could field a HUGE american football team).

I could also really go for an Injector per account. I will use them just like everyone else.

I'm just curious if we've fully accepted SP as something that can be given out on this scale.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#8 - 2016-07-01 11:09:52 UTC
chelly Dian wrote:
Aprox 160k I would say

My number might be wrong.

Also CCP was beting on something like - if Trump wins and then decides to gove away his wealth and go live in Tibet as a monk we ill give out injectors.

Not out of realm possible.
Just amazingly unlikely.

I understand youre logic - its not the bet, its that they were ready to make SP out of thin air.
I would argue they wouldnt make it out of thin air, more likely take a "loan" in SP that would be covered by future RMT bans.

I suppose 45 billion SP doesn't seem so crazy. I have more than 1.5 billion SP across my characters.

CCP have you seized 45 billion SP in characters?
Elinara Yamamoto
Latex Entosis
#9 - 2016-07-01 11:15:22 UTC
They will not win the final so do not worry, I hope they do get there though, to play Germany, the country I was born in :)
Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#10 - 2016-07-01 11:17:12 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
CCP have you seized 45 billion SP in characters?


i'm gonna go out on a limb here and say: yes they probably have over the years.

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Neadayan Drakhon
Heuristic Industrial And Development
AddictClan
#11 - 2016-07-01 11:34:47 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
Yarosara Ruil wrote:
Here's hoping Iceland wins the Euro then! Just to annoy you guys.

I'm more hyped about Quafe SKINs though!

I totally hope Iceland wins. I am American and impartial, because not EU and our football is different (and I'm sure Iceland could field a HUGE american football team).

I could also really go for an Injector per account. I will use them just like everyone else.

I'm just curious if we've fully accepted SP as something that can be given out on this scale.

CCP giving out SP gifts (such as they sometimes do for extended server outages), fine

Skill trading in any form, no. This will never be ok.
Felix Judge
Regnum Ludorum
#12 - 2016-07-01 11:40:51 UTC
I endorse the original question.

CCP claimed that no SP would be created out of thin air when they introduced Skill Injectors.
Unless they get those SP from somewhere where they were created in the so-far only-acceptable way, they would turn their backs on that claim.

And the question is not only academic, given Iceland's chances to win the UEFA cup - if CCP are ready to do it here, they may be ready to do it on some other occasion, too.
Neadayan Drakhon
Heuristic Industrial And Development
AddictClan
#13 - 2016-07-01 11:55:11 UTC
Felix Judge wrote:
CCP claimed that no SP would be created out of thin air when they introduced Skill Injectors.
Unless they get those SP from somewhere where they were created in the so-far only-acceptable way, they would turn their backs on that claim.

They already made a lie out of that claim with the SP dailies.
Memphis Baas
#14 - 2016-07-01 12:10:37 UTC
It's moot; PB accounts are out of the game, so it's still "from thin air."

Just assume they've changed the stance to "yes it's ok to give free skillpoints," because just like with PLEX it's not a black-and-white issue; rather, it's another tool they can use to correct and control the economy. Injectors are replacing PLEX as the de-facto high-roller currency, and adding skillpoints from thin air controls the price of injectors. Also the "free sample" can drive up sales, as people get a taste and get hooked. It's all economics.

They've finally figured out how to prevent "burn Jita" events: introduce the controversial stuff slowly, in chunks that are small enough to be acceptable.
Daemun Khanid
Corbeau de sang
#15 - 2016-07-01 12:22:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Daemun Khanid
The sp that has dissapeared into thin air from extractors I've used on myself and injectors bought on the market and used on my alt more than cover any "free" sp I'm likely to recieve EVER. And imagine that same vanished sp accumulated across all injector use easily covers a free injector for each account. But ultimately wgaf? Ppl making isk off sp trading arent gonna go bankrupt over a single injector per character. Are ppl gonna cry and complain about magic sp every time CCP give out a handfull for server down time? You could just as easily say sp is vanishing into thin air by ppl training w/o optimized attribs. ALL sp appears out of thin air as every active toon in EvE trains skills. You might as well be screaming about magic isk from thin air every time an npc rat is killed. Hell, even a huge percentage of that "sp from thin air" is gonna vanish right back into thin air as the injectors are applied to characters w higher existing sp levels. Ppl just blow my mind sometimes w what they'll complain about.

Daemun of Khanid

Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#16 - 2016-07-01 12:42:49 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
I just want to make sure we're all in agreement that it's okay to create SP from thin air, RE: the reward for Iceland winning the Euro football championship (go Iceland, yay football!).

It's just CCP teasing because this won't happen.

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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#17 - 2016-07-01 12:58:03 UTC
Memphis Baas
#18 - 2016-07-01 13:46:19 UTC
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
It's just CCP teasing because this won't happen.


Seriously, it's only been 2 years since Germany completely humiliated Brazil and beat Argentina in the last World Cup. Even if Iceland beats France, then they'll be in the exact same position as Brazil during the World Cup, vs. Germany in the semi finals.

CCP may as well promise 100 million skillpoints to everyone; it won't happen.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#19 - 2016-07-01 14:13:20 UTC
hey so I kind of feel like out-of-game stuff discussions should be in OOPE. This thread is about ethics in video game XP
Keebler Wizard
Skew The Suits
#20 - 2016-07-01 14:20:58 UTC
Quote:
So we're Dev Hacking Skill Injectors into existence now?


1 - Dev's dont 'hack'.
2 - Are we? Where's your source?
3 - Other SP giveaways magik too?
4 - Elitist goon with too much money complaining about giveaways?

This thread is so full of holes I could drive a bus through it. I don't follow sports either.
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