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It's hot and everyone is thirsty

You didn't hear about boosters becoming legal in hisec?

Guess what is used in making boosters.

This is a completely original idea I swear....boosters.

Well, ok. Boosters. Fine. So over half the water in EVE is now in null sec.

1. Because someone does not want so many boosters produced in hi-sec?

2. Because someone wants folks to come down to low sec to get the water and get ganked?

3. Because someone wants to sell larger quantities of water to hi-sec at killer prices? Which by the way doesn't seem to be happening. The water quantities are static.

C'mon kids, I feel like I'm water boarding a reluctant prisoner here. Either you have some idea of what's going on or you don't.

Reactor Arrays. Hell, I've ran a POS for years refining with 2 reactor arrays. I'm still not understanding where water comes in and why it might be hoarded to this excess. Somebody's got to have a reason.

In case it is still not clear ...

Drug reactions cannot be performed in hisec, though oddly the final boosters can be manufactured in hisec without a drug lab (a historic bug that CCP is well aware of, a dev posted as much, so I guess that makes it a feature).

Boosters are likely not seeing significant usage in hisec, rather boosters are likely just being imported for sale now that it is easier.

Hence it really is no surprise to see a movement of water and such into lowsec & nulsec, where drug reaction towers are found. Any materials that was easily available in hisec would have been the first bought and jumped out.

FWIW, I've been advocating FOR YEARS that rookies interested in PI start with water, as it is reasonably plentiful in hisec. However, many consider it boring, and it is easily overlooked when other items are worth more. Many forget to consider extraction rates (quantity over quality).

Why don't you just go ask them?

Few people seem so be as curious about market trends as I am. I should look for a trade forum perhaps. My best guess is that the people holding the water are engaged in a simple plan of driving hi-sec market price to some desired threshold. Then they will cash out. Interestingly enough, I'm still able to gather water with generous purchase terms. When the market peaks, I will unload at a profit as well.

We are avidly curious about market trends, but the problem is that no one is apparently as interested as you in following and examining the minutiae of this low-value commodity in such detail.







Presumably to make ice cubes as it is rather hot outside.

I'm buying and selling water as a bulk trade commodity. I've made more profit trading water in EVE than any other single commodity. When I hear folks say they have no interest in some cheap abundant low-cost commodity, that's a strong indication they've never really explored trade for profit. If you're going to trade anything for profit, the last thing you desire is high value and large mass per unit. Instead, you look for a low-cost readily available commodity with LOW mass per unit that is in constant demand for manufacturing. I'm a small investor in real life and I've learned a few things that apply just as well in the EVE market as anywhere else. Price spread. This is the high-voltage of profit making. Without it, your're pretty much wasting your time. Water has always had some of the best price spread of any commodity in EVE. And there are bulk concentrations of it in predictable areas. All you need is a big hauler, the bigger, the better, but I avoid freighters. Then you buy low and sell high. Water in terms of mass per unit has one of the smallest footprints going. Which means you can stuff a lot into one space. Price spreads in terms of ISK are often as much as 100 per unit from low to high. Sometimes more. If you place commodity orders in the right location and deliver to the right location, that price spread can insure 50 million or more profit per run, if you have a large enough ship. Most people in EVE don't BEGIN to understand how much money can be made with trading stuff no one gives a second thought to.