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Am I in the wrong game? Please help me understand!

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Blood Retributor
#1 - 2016-06-29 18:22:01 UTC
Hi guys (and girls)!

I have been playing this game for a month and a half and still try to understand: are people playing it for fun or for ISK?
Or the whole fun of this game is making ISK?

Years ago I played StarWars Fighter (Naboo missions). Had a lot of fun with it. Last several years played a game called Alien Shooter. Good stuff after a stressful day at work! Just shoot countless numbers of monsters and grab better gear for the next level. Last year spent quite some time with Call of Duty. For years wanted to start playing Eve (I am a fan of anything Space) and finally made the leap.

Now back to the topic. Where in the game do you have fun people? Please do not tell me about blitzing level 4 missions at 100mil isk/hour or 25 Hulks leveling an asteroid belt at 300 mil isk/hour.

I am asking about fun, not isk!!! If I will need isk I will buy a Plex and sell it. A simple math calculation will tell you that there are no lvl4 missions that will give you more isk/hour than one hour of work time at McDonalds (if your regular job does not allow you to buy a Plex when you need it ).

For more than a month I was grinding *roids to get isk for my frigates, cruisers and BCs for later PVP while waiting till my Command and Core skills get to a decent level. Got bored out of my mind. Then, last week (I know it took a bit too long), it struck me: What am I doing? If I will need isk for PvP I will just buy a Plex. It will be a much better use of my time. Ran some lvl1-lvl3 missions and a bit of exploration.

This week I am just occasionally opening my client to see where my Skill queue is and adjusting it if I find something interesting on reddit or this forum. BTW, thanks CCP for removing the Recurring Opportunities, now I do not even have to log in every day as soon as it is available. So my subscription money is going for waiting.

So, honestly, I am on the verge of cancelling my subscription. Can you suggest what is fun in this game? Please do not suggest ganking, as it is against my nature (even in a game).

If the common opinion in the replies will be "GTFO" of here, I will take that as an answer to my question. I do not want to get invested (time, effort, money) in a game that is wrong for me.

Any answer will be appreciated, even the "GTFO" Big smile.

One step at a time ...

Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#2 - 2016-06-29 18:35:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
If you are not having fun, stop whatever you are doing immediately, and do something else! If you are not having fun, you are playing EvE wrong.

I've been playing EvE over 7 years now, and I still haven't tried everything there is to do in EvE.

EvE is a sandbox. You can do whatever you want.

Fun is not delivered to you. You are just given tools. You have to either generate fun, or seek it out.

Build sandcastles, or knock other sandcastles over, or try to horde all the sand, or sell sand / shovels / pails to others, or open a sand bank, or see how many shovels you can steal from others, or collect blue pails and not red pails, or throw sand at people, or deliver sand, or see how deep of a hole you can dig, or look for holes to explore, or ...

It is a LOT easier to generate fun or find fun with the help of friends in a good corp! Laughing with friends can make even the most idle time, or the worst losses, fun. Shared victories, however small or large, are a lot sweeter too when celebrated with friends.

There are a lot of corps in EvE, including a lot of bad ones. You don't have to stay in a bad one.

I'd personally recommend joining one of the rookie-friendly corps that exist, like Pandemic Horde, KarmaFleet, Dreddit, Signal Cartel, Wingspan Delivery Services, ... , the list goes on and on. Check out the recruitment forum. There are corps for every interest.

EvE is more about the people, both friends and enemies, than about spaceships.

DOTLAN - Alliances
KaarBaak
Squirrel Team
#3 - 2016-06-29 19:17:12 UTC  |  Edited by: KaarBaak
[strike]Join a corp. Head out to Null or Lowsec. Get into FW/RvB.

6 weeks in you should have a pilot qualified for PvP adventure.[/strike]

Disregard...I just read your post history. EvE does not appear to be the game for you.

KB

Dum Spiro Spero

ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#4 - 2016-06-29 19:25:37 UTC
I think the bigger question here is; what do you consider "fun"?

You don't like grinding missions or rocks. Understandable. People generally run those to make money

You don't like ganking because it is "against" your nature. Okay... how do you feel about PvP in general?


Do you want to explore and make money finding deadspace pockets you can loot?

How do you feel about "cat and mouse games" with other players (see: someone is hunting you and you try to avoid them, or vice versa)?

What about moving products between different areas of space?

How do you feel about semi-organized warfare?



Here is the thing about EVE; it is a rat race. You make money to enhance your ability to wage war (or avoid it), you wage war (or avoid it) to make money... all the while making deals and/or sabotaging the efforts of others to do the same.

The people in EVE are the content. Mingle with people and you will start to have some fun.
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
#5 - 2016-06-29 19:34:49 UTC
Make some friends, betyer yet, enemies.

Enemies are in fact considerably better motivation to login and do things than friends are.
Roenok Baalnorn
Baalnorn Heavy Industries
#6 - 2016-06-29 20:48:01 UTC
In eve you can pretty much do what you want. So if you dont like what your doing do something else. You make money doing most things in eve. Some pay better than others. I do a little bit of everything to a degree its entertaining me. When it stops entertaining me i do something else for awhile.
Deck Cadelanne
CAStabouts
#7 - 2016-06-29 22:25:14 UTC
OK, so far you know you don't like mining or mission running.

There is so much more to try and to learn!

Start interacting with other players in the game. Join a corp.

What makes this game fun (for me at least) is that interaction with other people.

Personally, I love small gang/fleet PVP, so that's what I try to focus on when I play. I don't bother with stuff I don't enjoy.

And 3 years in there are still things I have not really explored. Wormhole living, incursions, L5 missions...

Good hunting!

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn professional."

- Hunter S. Thompson

Deck Cadelanne
CAStabouts
#8 - 2016-06-29 22:26:21 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Make some friends, betyer yet, enemies.

Enemies are in fact considerably better motivation to login and do things than friends are.


Both. It's the only way to fly :-)

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn professional."

- Hunter S. Thompson

Vortexo VonBrenner
Doomheim
#9 - 2016-06-29 22:27:57 UTC
Fun is, of course, very subjective. What is fun for one in EvE is agony for others. There is so much you can do in EvE. Do your thing and try new things.


Pandora Carrollon
Provi Rapid Response
The Watchmen.
#10 - 2016-06-29 23:23:48 UTC
If you like shooting stuff, sounds like you might like either ratting or WH space adventures. The former is pretty easy to do and makes okay ISK. The latter is harder to do and takes decent skills, decent ship, and some patience as you'll die a lot at first. However, you get to tangle with both NPC's AND players on a regular basis. It makes good ISK too depending on what you are doing out there in WH space.

If you like playing White Knight, join one of the anti-ganking groups. You get to save hapless merchants and blow up the occasional ganker that makes a mistake and opens fire. You could also join the CVA and patrol/protect.
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#11 - 2016-06-30 00:06:49 UTC
Same people make isk for fun, but the majority make isk to fund other activities. The thing about EVE is, Players are content, the sandbox just gives people a place to play.

We actually do often recommend to new players to just buy a plex for isk instead of grinding for it. Players are content again. People that stay join corps or at least make friends and fly with them. I've come and gone from the game several times, each time I leave, it is usually because I haven't been very social and the game got stale.

My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.

ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2016-06-30 02:24:42 UTC
This game is a PvP sandbox and the PvE is just there to support the PvP.

Where this game shines is in the open world unstructured, unregulated PvP.

What you enjoy doing and how you find your niche in this game is up to you but if you are only shooting at rocks and NPCs then you've seen very little of this game.

Try everything. Do more of what you enjoy and less or none of what you dislike.

Want to talk? Join Cara's channel in game: House Forelli

Sinir Henata
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2016-06-30 03:52:07 UTC
People play different games for different reasons. I enjoyed games like Evochron and Astrox, so I decided to finally try Eve. Right now, in my few days, all I do is mine and go ratting to raise money to buy new ships ... but that's what I personally find to be fun and enjoyable. Am I boring? Possibly, but I think I've found a game that I can play for a long, long time.

That being said, everyone's mileage will vary.
Tzuke
State War Academy
Caldari State
#14 - 2016-06-30 04:52:08 UTC
I can understand where your coming from. Eve is predominately a pvp game. People will tell you otherwise but it's true. Saying that I don't pvp and only pve. For me the fun part is learning new skills and acquiring new ships etc. I mainly run security missions but they can get very tedious as they are repeated time and time again and so far I've generated very little isk. I have bought a plex which I sold to take my mind off how little isk I had heh

If you find Eve isn't for you and still have to give into your space fix may I suggest Elite Dangerous. It's a little complex after the latest update but it can be played solo so you don't have to worry about pvp or play with other players be it friends or just others. It is a more traditional flight sim type of affair without the spreadsheet behind which is what Eve is basically

Arkoth 24
Doomheim
#15 - 2016-06-30 04:58:50 UTC
EvE is pain. No fun allowed.
Vortexo VonBrenner
Doomheim
#16 - 2016-06-30 05:02:18 UTC
Personally I didn't care much for elite:dangerous. Granted I only played it for about two weeks, but I found my first two weeks in EvE much more enjoyable. Each to their own, I suppose.

Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#17 - 2016-06-30 05:38:02 UTC
i mean your post was mostly about acquisition of isk and the realization that buying isk via plex is more time efficient. unless you are ferrengi you will need different goals to have fun.

channel your inner klingon for a change

how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value

Solai
BreadFleet
Interstellar Triglavian Collective
#18 - 2016-06-30 05:48:03 UTC
I feel like our typical response - 'Eve is a sandbox, do anything, what do you want to do' - is insufficient for this kind of recurring question. I mean, its certainly true. But it doesn't address the confusion that we keep seeing from newcomers. The same confusion I had.

I think a better response might be to ILLUSTRATE things that people do, why they log in, what keeps them coming back. Describe something specific enough that the reader can imagine doing specifically that. It might not encompass the breadth of Eve, but at least it's concrete instead of vague notions of 'do what you want.'

Personally, I like joining the big nullsec wars. We organize into space tribes, create command structures, establish doctrines so that we're all on the same page, we engage in tons of meta-game warfare, and fly in the biggest battles in Eve. Its full of adrenaline, comraderie, and challenge.
Do Little
Bluenose Trading
#19 - 2016-06-30 08:15:54 UTC
I approach Eve from a different perspective - I was attracted to the game by the economic simulation. I enjoy the strategic, planning side of the game more than the tactical, execution side - which can get repetitive. I also enjoy competing with other players in the market and cooperating with other players in corp. There is great satisfaction when a plan comes together - doesn't matter if you are a fleet commander or an industrialist. The pain is also real when something goes wrong, choices have consequences.

ISK is a way to keep score for industrialists like me. For PVP players killboards are the score card and ISK is a means - not an end.

There is no single "right" way to play Eve but, as pointed out earlier, unless you're enjoying the game, you're doing it wrong!
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2016-06-30 09:24:49 UTC
Solai wrote:
I feel like our typical response - 'Eve is a sandbox, do anything, what do you want to do' - is insufficient for this kind of recurring question. I mean, its certainly true. But it doesn't address the confusion that we keep seeing from newcomers. The same confusion I had.

I think a better response might be to ILLUSTRATE things that people do, why they log in, what keeps them coming back. Describe something specific enough that the reader can imagine doing specifically that. It might not encompass the breadth of Eve, but at least it's concrete instead of vague notions of 'do what you want.'

I am an unusual person in life in general. Even outside this game I can tell you the things that work for me most people could not handle and vice versa. I actually enjoy doing the things that the OP is having problems getting into. So for me to tell him what keeps me coming back would do him no good and probably make him quit.

However this game is deep and it is a sandbox and very enjoyable gameplay is probably out there for him. However he is the only one that is him and he needs to figure that out for himself. Maybe if he gave some kind of idea as to what he likes or is looking for but really he mostly told us about what he does not like which does not help us in directing him.

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