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Reimbursement Absurdity

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Fen Haroun
Dramani Confederacy
#1 - 2016-06-29 14:03:30 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Max Trix
So, here's the context. I've been out of the game for a while due to wanting to focus on my exams in May... but, naturally, I keep in touch with my homies as we all do, and what they have had to say has rather served to put me off of this game further.

Imagine my surprise when one of them relays to me a couple of very interesting messages regarding CCPs current reimbursement policy. In a more minor case, an associate of his got reimbursed for a pod because he couldn't dock. Why couldn't he dock? Because he had an aggression timer. Reimbursed anyway.

But bear with me, it gets better.

So a rather useless griefer gets himself a new shiny Paladin and wants to try it out. Takes it into low sec, hops into some sort of guristas site... and explodes. Fairly run of the mill event, I'm sure. Thing is, CCP reimbursed it because the guy filed a petition claiming that a 'bug' set his resistances to 0% even with the bastion module active. Here is the lossmail:
*SNip* No Killboards.*snip* ISD Max Trix

Now can anybody spot the 'bug' in question? You're smart chaps, of course you can.


So my discussion point/question is this: since when did this game start to merrily reimburse people for being just plain stupid? Fitting polarised guns is not a 'bug', shooting somebody on the station is not a 'bug' or 'lag'...

Whatever happened to HTFU? Do we now just tell people to cry to CCP so they will fix it? And if CCP are going to reimburse everything, well... whats the point?
Anthar Thebess
#2 - 2016-06-29 14:06:03 UTC
PL and NC could whelp capitals and supers and get them reimbursed.
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Rovinia
Exotic Dancers Union
#3 - 2016-06-29 14:21:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Rovinia
As far as i know that's not the reinbursment policy of CCP. They do reinburse losses from time to time, but only if it's a loss due to very special circumstances the player couldn't avoid (Server issues, etc.).

Need a little bit more evidence before i join the CCP-Bash-Bandwagon. The "A-friend-of-a-friend-told-me"-Things mostly turn out to be rumors or only contain half of the story. Or are simply allegations from someone who want's to ease their stupidity (see killmail) in front of their corpmates / enemys with a "doesn't matter, i got reinbursed anyways, lolz".
Davian Thule Pirkibo
Black Rabbits
Black Rabbit.
#4 - 2016-06-29 14:22:54 UTC
Fen Haroun wrote:
So, here's the context. I've been out of the game for a while due to wanting to focus on my exams in May... but, naturally, I keep in touch with my homies as we all do, and what they have had to say has rather served to put me off of this game further.

Imagine my surprise when one of them relays to me a couple of very interesting messages regarding CCPs current reimbursement policy. In a more minor case, an associate of his got reimbursed for a pod because he couldn't dock. Why couldn't he dock? Because he had an aggression timer. Reimbursed anyway.

But bear with me, it gets better.

So a rather useless griefer gets himself a new shiny Paladin and wants to try it out. Takes it into low sec, hops into some sort of guristas site... and explodes. Fairly run of the mill event, I'm sure. Thing is, CCP reimbursed it because the guy filed a petition claiming that a 'bug' set his resistances to 0% even with the bastion module active. Here is the lossmail:

https://zkillboard.com/kill/54732536/

Now can anybody spot the 'bug' in question? You're smart chaps, of course you can.


So my discussion point/question is this: since when did this game start to merrily reimburse people for being just plain stupid? Fitting polarised guns is not a 'bug', shooting somebody on the station is not a 'bug' or 'lag'...

Whatever happened to HTFU? Do we now just tell people to cry to CCP so they will fix it? And if CCP are going to reimburse everything, well... whats the point?

I say these are probably cases of oversight rather then ccp genuinely intending to reimburse them for something that was not their fault,
GinBar
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2016-06-29 14:32:43 UTC
i lost charon duo desync between server and client and gm dude told me that any loss caused by client bugs are not good for reimbursment.

CCP dev admitted that there are desync problems, lot of ppl getting 'em on ever day, and dev said they are working on fix... and still its my fault i lost ship :)
Chopper Rollins
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2016-06-29 14:35:44 UTC
Any mechanism, like reimbursement, that helps people is ripe for gaming by anyone stuck in that developmental phase where you get free stuff. CCP know this, every adult knows this.
Your friends lied, you found a killmail but have no access to logs, you think this matters but you're wrong.



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Fen Haroun
Dramani Confederacy
#7 - 2016-06-29 14:38:00 UTC
Chopper Rollins wrote:
Any mechanism, like reimbursement, that helps people is ripe for gaming by anyone stuck in that developmental phase where you get free stuff. CCP know this, every adult knows this.
Your friends lied, you found a killmail but have no access to logs, you think this matters but you're wrong.


I am in fact staring at the petition response right now but CCP rules prevent me from posting petition responses on the forum... ;)

Good troll effort, 4/10.
Chopper Rollins
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2016-06-29 14:42:10 UTC
So you filed a petition and got told exactly what i wrote?
Cool.


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Fen Haroun
Dramani Confederacy
#9 - 2016-06-29 14:43:59 UTC
Chopper Rollins wrote:
So you filed a petition and got told exactly what i wrote?
Cool.

Losing quality now, 2/10
Chopper Rollins
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2016-06-29 14:50:14 UTC
Fen Haroun wrote:
Thing is, CCP reimbursed it because the guy filed a petition claiming that a 'bug' set his resistances to 0% even with the bastion module active.


Claims based on contents of a petition, check.

Fen Haroun wrote:
Do we now just tell people to cry to CCP so they will fix it? And if CCP are going to reimburse everything, well... whats the point?


Flamboyant drama queenery, check.
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Pandora Carrollon
Provi Rapid Response
#11 - 2016-06-29 14:53:46 UTC
What is this, the Reimbursement Nazi thread?

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Lugia3
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2016-06-29 15:18:37 UTC
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ISD Max Trix
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#13 - 2016-06-29 15:57:52 UTC
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