Player Features and Ideas Discussion

so what is the problem exactly and your solution to fix it?

I compared the drone capacity and bandwidth of both Tech 1 and Tech 2 Logi Frigates and Cruisers.

The Logi Frigates (both T1 and T2) already have 5m3 drone bay space and 5m/bit of bandwidth.

The Logi Cruisers only see an increase of, at most, 5m/bit bandwidth between T1 and T2 variants. Some of them don't see an increase in drone space or bandwidth at all.


I am struggling to see why you are proposing to give Logi Frigates more drone space/bandwidth. And struggling even more why you want them to rep even better.
Are the Logi frigates underpowered in your eyes?

Please justify why they should be changed... because most of the time I hear people complaining that they can be "too powerful." Especially in Tech 3 Destroyer gangs (which can fit a lot of buffer).



With regards to the rigs... euuhhhh.

There are A LOT of rigs out there that don't have any reason or purpose at certain ship levels. Hell... some of them are quite useless (Capital Sentry Drone Augmentor anyone?).

I disagree with you that the repair rigs are less useful over CCC rigs. Frankly... it sounds like you are trying to make the ship cap stable.
The groups that I have PvPed with use the repair rigs and simply slap on a Cap Booster. Yes, this means that there is a limit to how long you can do RR... but you gain a hell of a lot more utility by fitting a Logi ship with a cap booster versus gimping it to make it cap stable.
Be more creative with the fits. Fitting for endurance is not always the way to go.


And making local tank rigs also apply to Remote Repairs is laughably broken.


I will say this though... there was talk last year about revamping rigs altogether. And that talk did touch upon CCC rigs and adding a penalty to them.
So it is on the DEVs list of "things to do."

The point I was trying to make is that Logi Cruisers see little to no increase in their drone capabilities from Tech 1 to Tech 2.

To expand on that... Cruisers in general have some kind of drone capability while Frigates, outside of some exceptions and vestigial drone bays (that few players utilize), do not.

The reason for this is that drones typically do not synergize well with the high speeds or fast paced reaction times that Frigates are known for.


Indeed. It would also make such a Frigate a potential combat ship as well (remember, the Tristan and Astero do not have a drone damage bonus).


Soooo yeah.... you are new here. Let me explain the reality of this game.

If you give someone an advantage without forcing them make a tradeoff, people will take full advantage of it and max it out to its fullest.

This very true for drone capabilities as drones do not draw from any ship resources.

Giving people greater drone capabilities.... it is not a matter of "players can use it if they want." They WILL use it. Because it gives them an advantage (even if it is a 1% advantage).


Fair enough.

If you really want to have a Logi Frigate that uses drones then the following needs to happen to it:
- it needs to lose however much CPU and Powergrid is necessary so it cannot fit as many normal remote repairs (this is typical of combat Droneboats... they have lower CPU and Powergrid so the ship is on par with other ships of the same class.
- it needs to have 1 less fitting slot compared to its peers (also typical of Droneboats... remember, there need to be tradeoffs to have a semi-autonomous system that does not draw from the ship).
- no "uber" bonus (only Guristas ships have an "uber" bonus... none of the other drone ships have this).


I think you need to play a little longer, widen your ship experience, and try different tactics before you start asking for sweeping changes.

There is a delicate balance between ship types, classes, and roles that you may not be fully aware of. And more than a few of us in this forum have played this game during a time before the DEVs took ship balancing seriously.
I personally do not want to go back to a time of "fly X ship of you will lose."




Oh... two last things:
- there is no such thing as a "native rig." Rigs are, by their nature, enhancements that can be applied to any ship.
(want to see my Remote Repping fit for a Tech 3 Destroyer?)
- bear in mind that shields and armor are not meant to be "equal" or "have the same rigs/mods." Both tanking types operate under slightly different mechanics and have different advantages and disadvantages that have to be taken into account.
(examples: because shield auto-regen, rep at the beginning of a cycle, have faster repping local tanks, and leave their low slots open for damage mods they get less in the way of buffer, less capacity for utility E-war, and less repping mods/rigs. Armor has greater buffer and resistances... but they pay for this by being slower, doing less damage, not regenerating, not having capless repping mods, etc.)

Logi drones can be controlled at over 50km just with skills. They'd only be limited by lock range (new sensor boosters anyone) Giving them to logi frigs is quite different to giving them to ships that already operate at that range. They could even remove the drones they have now.

Remote repair rigs provide bigger benefits than ccc rigs in some cases, especially in low skill set-ups. They have their uses.

Personally i think frig logi is in a really good place. They are fun and intense to fly. Pilot skill matters a lot because of their high speed but low range.