EVE New Citizens Q&A

Do you quit when you die in CoD (or your FPS of choice)?

Eve is a PvP spacey, submarine game. Ships are meant to explode. Just so you know, If instead of telling the other player if they shoot at you, you would quit. You could have accepted that ship loss is a normal part of the game and there would of been a very good chance that player would have given more than enough isk to replace your ship multiple times over.

Even more valuable to you, they might have shared a few tips with you. And you might have even made a friend in this MMO.

If you are sad about quitting....Don't quit.

Why not make it a goal to get your own back on that player. Work out how to set a trap for them, or infiltrate the corp and try stealing everything not nailed down. Then steal some nails.

Stick around and join a corp if you are not sure about how to proceed. Don't just quit because of 1 ship loss.

What intrigued me about EVE?...well space exploration, ship and equipment training, learning new things etc. But as you said "Eve is a PVP game" so good advice there :) I doubt I can progress doing what I was doing knowing I can get ganked by running missions, I do get that parts of the mechanics of the game but maybe it was my naivety that I thought I could avoid part of that danger.
Guess i'd have been happier if the player had thought wow this player is out of his depth here and root me then find out a bit about his hapless victim. Maybe send him on his merry way thinking this game isn't all about pvp and everyone is out to get you. That's what I would have done...but everyones not as daft as me :)

You could have learned this lesson with something a lot more expensive.

This is the game that occasionally makes headlines because someone ran off in a few thousand dollars-equivalent in game assets, and doesn't ban the guy who does this. And you can run a Ponzi scheme and make off with trillions of ISK if you're smart enough to fool people. Scamming is a legitimate strategy in most places. The guy you found was a pirate, and this game has plenty of those.
It's cutthroat, and actions do have consequences. You don't usually know what they are ahead of time, but part of getting good means learning to guess correctly and use that to decide if you really want to go or do whatever with what you have on you. Another part is making friends and being able to sort out who you can and should trust with what.

Thank you for your kind words. Even after quitting I logged back in and started rebuilding my ship (wish you could just insure your ship and after being destroyed you would have your ship back ala Elite Dangerous...listening CCP?) I have met one lovely chap who gave me 50 mill after I commented on help chat that my next project was buying a Drake but forgot to factor in cost of fittings heh!

I have 6 days left of game time...whether I will resub at this moment isn't clear. My head is telling me this is a pvp game and don't kid yourself it isn't. My heart is telling meI can enjoy aspects of the game I've described are possible.

Good luck all

OP you have learned the lesson about low sec. There are many others yet to be learned and ship losses are going to be a part of that process that is not being rude or nasty it is simply a fact of the game of EvE. In the end the biggest decision you have to make as you decide to continue playing or leave are those ship loses.

There are many of us in the game that enjoy helping new players, if you have questions ask them here or email me in game and I will help if I can.

Here are some links to pages on this forum that contain useful information or simply stories of the problems others faced.
EvE University
How did you veterans start
Calling all new players
What do you wish you had known
A topic about the official new player FAQ

Oh they are listening. But it is a design decision.

Research has pretty much proved that you can't have meaningful rewards without meaningful loss. Thus, Eve is potentially a LOT more fun because the accomplishments are more meaningful, but Eve is also potentially a LOT more demoralizing when a project that hundreds of people have contributed towards over years real time, gets blown up or stolen. You simply can't have the highs without the lows. Once you experience the highs of eve, no other game really compares in any genre.

There is a mechanic to save your ship fitting and auto-buy the mods and ship, then another click will fit the ship according those mods. But Insurance only becomes less useful as you move away from tech 1 frigates. You will still suffer the meaningful loss of having to buy that new ship. But that makes blowing up someone else's ship that much more fun. Or if you are not the killing type, (I'm not myself) then that makes penetrating ambushes and evading a stronger opponent a rush. Playing an FPS gets me excited playing eve makes me wonder if I"m going to have a heart attack.

Well, this may surprise you, but Eve devs also want you to get blown up on your trial. This is because the great majority of the players that sub after a trial are players that got blown up during their trial.

Go figure.

I'm no longer a 'new' player. I too learned a lot of early lessons from The School of Hard Knocks (TSHK).

I feel the mistake you're making here is allowing another player to defeat you completely. It really says a lot about yourself if your enjoyment of a game is pinned on the actions of others. This is something that you can't allow in real life or it will utterly destroy you. You only have control over ONE thing in this world- yourself. Don't worry so much about the actions of others, you can't control them and you shouldn't even try.

I have found the player base to be anything but toxic. Yes, there are complete jerks here, however, they are a minority. I've found that most players are very human and very willing to help out.

So, it's entirely okay for you to leave the game, however it's a mistake to leave under conditions generated by another, single, player.

You get a new ship for free, it can mine, it can fight, it can run missions. So even if you had ZERO isk to your name, you could still earn more and get newer and better ships.

My suggestion to you would be to re-examine EVE from a different perspective, realize it's your game, not other peoples game... but yours. Yes, you have to interact with others but what you do is up to you. Accept risk levels that are okay to you and play in those areas with acceptable risk.

This is no different than real life. There is a reason why EVE players say "EVE is life" because that's the model it's really based on.

By the way, had that player done that to me, I'd have worked up my skills my ships found his butt again and vaporized his azz.

P.S. I lost my ship my first incursion into LoSec as well, it was not my attackers fault, it was mine for not knowing what the heck I was doing. I go into LoSec from time to time now and when another player shows up, they are usually in ships that are inferior to mine so they leave me alone but I'm ready to lock them up and blow them to space dust bunnies if they get frisky. If they are in a more powerful ship or somewhat equal, I'm never doing anything I can't leave and do so. Other players can alter my current actions, I go from Plan A to Plan B or Plan C but I always have a plan.

OP,

You were warned by the game that low sec was dangerous. You chose to ignore the warning, took a loss, and then blamed it on the game/players. That warning is there for a reason. So newbies dont venture into a much more dangerous system unaware. If something said " Caution: extremely hot!" would you touch it to see if that were true and then blame it on the person/company that made the hot item when you got burned?

The reason your agent sent you to low sec was( likely) because you were using an agent near low sec. Agents usually give you missions 0-2 jumps out. The agent does warn you, as far as i remember, that the system is low security. You can also check the system to see if its low security by clicking on it, If you set destination to said system it will also display the system as orange or red indicating low security/more dangerous. Finally when you actually try to jump into the system a big pop up comes and tells you that the system is low security and dangerous. Short of sending you a consent form to your real address, making you sign, date, and notorize it and you sending it back before allowing you to jump into system...CCP gave you many signs that the system was dangerous and you ignored all of them even the big popup one that likely was blocking the gate and your ship.

You dying was no ones fault but your own. Your lack of knowledge and experience, your disregard for warnings and your poor choice of agent locations lead you to your ship being blown up. How you deal with this, is completely up to you. Some people will quit. Most just chalk it up as lesson learned and dont do it again.


Eve has a big learning curve. The players nor the devs are going to hold your hand. People are allowed to kill you anywhere at any time if they can manage it before getting killed themselves. When you undock you consent to pvp. You will take real loses in this game and people will most definitely try to kill you, bait you, gank you, or scam you on the regular basis. That is the core of eve. Its a hardcore sandbox in which the devs just give us tools and very few rules to abide by.

If you want to continue in eve then:

1) you need to learn to accept losses as a normal part of the game.
2) Do not fly what you cannot afford to replace right now. If your flying a 20 mil isk fit and you only have 5 mil in your wallet and you lose it then your going to have to downgrade for awhile which is going to put you behind.
3) dont depend on insurance. It for the most part is worthless, even on t1 hulls.
4) Do research. There is a lot of data out there. Ask questions. IF you are less than 30 days old you should have a rookie chat. It is a moderated chat to make sure people arent messing with rookies. Ask questions in corp and/or alliance. Ask on the forums.
5) make friends who will help you. Friends are a key component of this game.
6) Learn from your mistakes. What if the rats killed you? would you blame the game for the rats being to hard or would you figure out why you got killed and how to prevent it next time?

Eve has a lot to offer but you cannot play eve and have thin skin or be someone that gives up easily. It is actually different than most games in that its harder in the beginning and gets easier as you gain skills and experience. The rewards in eve are much better because there is risk in gaining those rewards and you can lose what you have gained very easily. That makes everything more valuable unlike other games where you break armor or whatever and you just cant use it again to you repair it.

Your right didn't think of that, crafting would be kind of pointless if you could just instantly replace your ship. Thanks for making me see that. Maybe I look at Eve in totally the wrong way