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PVP contest arena in EVE

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MaxaOhbka
Falcorre's Lair
#41 - 2016-06-21 07:55:07 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
You have the ability to organise activities

I don't want organise, I want participate in it.
MaxaOhbka
Falcorre's Lair
#42 - 2016-06-21 08:07:03 UTC
Sonya Corvinus wrote:
You've never run a business, have you? Find your niche and stick with it.

That's not discussion about me. I think CCP actually run a business and I believe they can assess all the risks if they want to, I just want them to want to do it. Belive in them too.
MaxaOhbka
Falcorre's Lair
#43 - 2016-06-21 08:12:14 UTC
Sustrai Aditua wrote:
...be careful someone isn't doing it to YOU. Shocked

Ammm.. You better say, - for us. Pirate
MaxaOhbka
Falcorre's Lair
#44 - 2016-06-21 08:24:59 UTC  |  Edited by: MaxaOhbka
Sonya Corvinus wrote:
You clearly has never run a business.

Stop that stupid attack.
Just relax. All what I want, it that someone in CСP at least think they should discuss this game aspect. That not hurt.
MaxaOhbka
Falcorre's Lair
#45 - 2016-06-21 08:37:31 UTC
Netan MalDoran wrote:
Want instanced PvP Arenas?
Schedule events on the test server like a mini championship!
Doesnt mess up eve, player run and driven, and can still be fun! (Plus no risk!)

They tell me I like baby, and why not.
I want candy, prizes, new costumes for the arena, new ships colorings, titels.
I can not organize* that myself and you can't.
MaxaOhbka
Falcorre's Lair
#46 - 2016-06-21 08:42:59 UTC
MaxaOhbka wrote:
Do that and I will take you seriously.

I can say same. So, why do they make free DUST?
RRagedJester177
Executioners Dynasty
Caldari Tactical Operations Command
#47 - 2016-06-21 12:45:41 UTC
In my opinion a arena type system will ruin the aspect of EVE Online Pvp, that's what makes eve different to other MMO's.
Lan Wang
African Atomic.
Dreadnought Diplomacy.
#48 - 2016-06-21 13:03:00 UTC
sounds stupid, join a corp with content creators

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#49 - 2016-06-21 13:56:27 UTC
Yun Kuai wrote:
You find your niche and keep that as your core, but you eventually diversify to start mitigating risk and adding other profit channels. More specifically you hope that the customers you brought on with the diversified products eventually move to your core niche product as they become more loyal to the brand. Thus building brand loyalty and the all important word of mouth advertising as they tell their friends, coworkers, and random people who ask how great your products are. You clearly has never run a business.


And you don't dilute your brand by turning it into something it's not. Look at what happened to intel when they first put chips in toys a few decades ago.

I've been a partial owner of my company for years. If you don't know about brand awareness and dilution of your image, I hope you don't run a business.
MaxaOhbka
Falcorre's Lair
#50 - 2016-06-21 14:22:00 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
sounds stupid, join a corp with content creators

Well if that was so easy. Content i want may create only developer, not me.
Lan Wang
African Atomic.
Dreadnought Diplomacy.
#51 - 2016-06-21 14:31:58 UTC
MaxaOhbka wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
sounds stupid, join a corp with content creators

Well if that was so easy. Content i want may create only developer, not me.


what?

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

MaxaOhbka
Falcorre's Lair
#52 - 2016-06-21 14:44:41 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
what?

As i said, something big new and fun. But not for big alliances for all players.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#53 - 2016-06-21 14:50:26 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
MaxaOhbka wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
sounds stupid, join a corp with content creators

Well if that was so easy. Content i want may create only developer, not me.


what?
Rough translation

Devs should implement specific PvP arenas and their associated leaderboards etc because
  • an entire universe dedicated to PvP just isn't good enough
  • other games have them
  • OP is too damn lazy to use the freedom and tools present in the Eve universe to organise their own or to find other people that have already done so.

  • TL;DR OP should be playing something else.

    In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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    Lady Ayeipsia
    BlueWaffe
    #54 - 2016-06-21 14:53:30 UTC
    MaxaOhbka wrote:
    MaxaOhbka wrote:
    Do that and I will take you seriously.

    I can say same. So, why do they make free DUST?


    Dust was not free. It was filled with micro transactions. Want a suit you can't fit yet, pay aurum to get the skilless version. And yes you could earn a lot with time, but it was rough. It took me a long time to earn my faction heavy armor bpo. And Dust only profited when a large amount t of micro transactions were added, which made it a bit pay to win. Want an extra 2% damage, pay aurum to upgrade your warbarge (or wait 6 weeks).

    As for a supported arena from CCP... It's the alliance tournament and it is well supported. But doing such on a weekly basis dillutes 5th event. Prizes would become cheap and of no value because so many are generated.

    Also, you are assuming CCP hasn't looked at this idea. There's been how many alliance tournaments? Plus a few other special ones such as the amarr heir. If CCP wanted it, they would do it. It just doesn't fit in their plans.
    MaxaOhbka
    Falcorre's Lair
    #55 - 2016-06-21 15:32:46 UTC  |  Edited by: MaxaOhbka
    Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
    Dust was not free.

    No, I mean why do they actually make DUST.
    Obviously they want more people involved in new aiden.
    Because yesterday kid play DUST, today he interested in EVE, and tomorrow he lead alliance and telling you - all your citadels are belong to us.
    But what surprise me, why CCP dont make it in EVE game system, and make as a separate project, despite the fact that they are so close.
    And I think that is connected with pretty sad story, when developers have tried to add the ability to walk the stations. They still have implemented it, only slightly different way with DUST. But we as EVE players have lost all this functionality. Truly sad if you ask me.

    In other words, I want to say that developers will find how to do this sooner or later. Maybe it will be in some other project. And when the players screaming that they do not need it, they just lose own opportunity in game.
    Pandora Carrollon
    Provi Rapid Response
    #56 - 2016-06-21 16:32:08 UTC
    MaxaOhbka wrote:
    In other words, I want to say that developers will find how to do this sooner or later. Maybe it will be in some other project. And when the players screaming that they do not need it, they just lose own opportunity in game.


    Well, I think others have been trying to point you this way but the idea is not necessarily in the developers hands. You have every ability to create your own 'arena' wherever you like. The only problem is that it's a party that's open to being crashed by others. So, as an organizer you'd need to plan for that contingency.

    There's nothing wrong with the core 'arena' idea, only that what's up for debate is its necessity.

    EVE is heavily influenced by player direction and desires. This euphemistically gets called 'content' but in the end, it's just a sandbox where players go have fun.

    You can take some part of the sandbox and make some kind of space arena, which is great because it can move around and have different environmental challenges, but in the end, it's just you doing something you want and others joining in.

    So, the discussion isn't black and white, it's just you'll have a hard time convincing players that they devs need to do something that players can do already by themselves in their own myriad of human ways of doing things.
    Netan MalDoran
    Hail To The King
    The Silent Syndicate
    #57 - 2016-06-21 17:45:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Netan MalDoran
    MaxaOhbka wrote:
    Netan MalDoran wrote:
    Want instanced PvP Arenas?
    Schedule events on the test server like a mini championship!
    Doesnt mess up eve, player run and driven, and can still be fun! (Plus no risk!)

    They tell me I like baby, and why not.
    I want candy, prizes, new costumes for the arena, new ships colorings, titels.
    I can not organize* that myself and you can't.


    I tried compromising,
    You said "F*ck you"!
    Either go play WoW or another bland and average game with what you want, or start working on this

    Oh, and I can do 3 things that you stated are impossible.

    "Your security status has been lowered." - Hell yeah it was!

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    MaxaOhbka
    Falcorre's Lair
    #58 - 2016-06-21 18:31:36 UTC
    Netan MalDoran wrote:
    I tried compromising

    Most of people here tell me what EVE capable have arena now.
    But EVE don't have it, at least it's not so good as it might be.
    And i don't see the point discuss existing things, because I suggesting improve them further.
    I prefer discuss how it might be. You think that's too offensive?
    MaxaOhbka
    Falcorre's Lair
    #59 - 2016-06-21 19:00:36 UTC
    Pandora Carrollon wrote:

    So, the discussion isn't black and white, it's just you'll have a hard time convincing players that they devs need to do something that players can do already by themselves in their own myriad of human ways of doing things.

    I agree people like toys they have now, and don't want someone change them.
    But someday it will happen anyway, i'm just pulling to make it faster.
    I'm greedy enough to want more sand for yourself.
    Jonah Gravenstein
    Machiavellian Space Bastards
    #60 - 2016-06-21 19:04:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
    MaxaOhbka wrote:
    Most of people here tell me what EVE capable have arena now.
    They're not wrong.

    Quote:
    But EVE don't have it, at least it's not so good as it might be.
    It does have it, and your opinion of what is good will differ from that of others; you think it's a good idea, the majority of the posters in this thread think otherwise.

    Quote:
    And i don't see the point discuss existing things, because I suggesting improve them further.
    How can you suggest improvements to something you A: believe doesn't exist, and B: don't understand?

    Quote:
    I prefer discuss how it might be. You think that's too offensive?
    Your proposal isn't in line with the nature of Eve, CCP could implement activities such as you suggest very easily, instead they've left the implementation for the players to sort out, which is very much in line with Eve being a player driven game.

    That should tell you everything you need to know.

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