Player Features and Ideas Discussion

First off, I'm not a guru when it comes to EVE so if any of my statements or assumptions are wrong let me know.

It seems odd that webifiers are one of the only things in eve that dont have a counter. I'm a passionate frigate man and find it frustrating that anyone with a webifier instantly turns me into fish inside a barrel.

There seems to be an unused stat on ships called propulsion strength. Bigger on bigger ships. Why not give webifiers a strength ( Medium/Large = better web but higher CPU & Grid) and the effect correlates to the propulsion strength of the targetted ship. This will be more realistic, a frigate can still web a battleship but it wont be as effective. When a battleship webs a frigate (using a larger web module) it slows it down more than if another frigate was doing it.

This would also open the door for modules that increase propulsion strength to offset the effect of webbers so there was actually a counter to it without rendering the attackers webber completely useless. A ship with increased prop strength would still be slowed but not by as much.

Since I fly Caldari feel strongly these modules should be low slot :-)

Any ideas why this wouldn't work?

Would for sure make PvP more interesting! Every fit should be possible to counter somehow.

Some anti-webifier would be plain awesome!

Yeah, you could like choose from 2 quite different modules. One that increases speed slightly and is quite cap friendly, then one which increases speed greatly, but also consumes cap greatly and have some penalty, maybe sig increase penalty?

An AB will sort of counter one web. Past that, your options are not engage in web range (very hard for frigates) or try to outtank your opponent (LOL).

I don't think a new module is the answer, but I do think something should be done to webs. Perhaps a uniquely strong stacking penalty for webs, or not having the web effect stack at all? -60% is already pretty damn crippling without bringing it down to ~17% speed.

This might also encourage use of target painters, as right now the solution to something moving fast is MOAR WEBS.

The reason webs have no counter is that they are already a counter to something else: prop mods in general.

As a result, those propmods are, if not actual counters, some kind of “opposed module”, and that's about all that is needed. The problem is that adding a counter to a counter just creates an infinite circle of pointlessness: once you have your counter-counter, you'll need a counter-counter-counter, and then you need a counter⁴, a counter⁵ etc.

In addition, since they are targeted modules, webs are already vulnerable to all things that break targeting (ECM, damps) as well as active modules (countered by neuts) on top of the naturally “opposed” modules. So webs definitely have counters. They don't particularly need more.

Finally, as a “passionate frig man”, I hope you realise that your idea would do pretty much the opposite of what you'd like — you'd be more of a barrel-fish than ever.

You missunderstood :

+125% boost results in 225% of base speed

current system : 225% x 0.5 = 112.5%

my system : (225-50)% = 175%


Do the same for a MWD :

let's say it only boost for +500%, thus resulting in 600% base speed.

With the current system, a -50% webber would bring you down to 300% base speed, while the change I suggested would leave you at 550% base speed.

That's a massive difference. Even more so for faction ships' webbers with -90% webbers or multiple webbers.

You would run into one of two problems with that scenario. Depending on how it was approached, with enough webbers you would theoretically force someone to move backwards (or not at all, neither of which is acceptable as an outcome) or even at infinite speed if you keep subtracting the same base reduction over and over again (as was an example of infinite tracking or infinite optimal in the relevant penalty wormholes).

Even though you take in the mathematical factors of percentage reductions, a hard number still has to be reduced from a total with your layout, which is what caused problems in the previously mentioned wormhole scenario.

Or on the other side of that, with stacking penalties, you wouldn't be able to slow down a MWD'er enough for it to be relevant or useful in the first place.

Two very goid points.

My mind is officially made up and you are all correct. The idea is a bad one :-)

Now my opinion is simply that NPC webs are rediculous and Player webs are just a tad too strong (-60%). Neither are problems that are solved with a new module.

Thanks for all the feedback.