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Who is the Best high sec merc group to have ever existed!

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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#41 - 2016-06-16 06:15:43 UTC
Xolve wrote:
Serendipity Lost wrote:
You are the most awesome eve player I have ever met. Thank you for posting here. We are truly blessed.Lol


Oh- you thought I was being serious. ShockedLolLolLolRoll




You obviously don't know me. I'm always serious. (especially the part about the full blown deluxe unicorn outfit)
Xolve
State War Academy
Caldari State
#42 - 2016-06-16 06:31:32 UTC
Serendipity Lost wrote:
Someone should mention privateers in this. Maybe not the best, but they should get credit for a few things. They made CCP change the game at least 2 times. No other merc outfit can claim that.



There were a bunch of good groups back in the day, Privateers, Snatch Victory, Private Nuisance, 0rphanage, The Dark Tribe and a few others I can't remember anymore.
Tora Bushido
The Marmite Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#43 - 2016-06-16 12:57:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Tora Bushido
Xolve wrote:
I guess the best overall killer would be Marmite, because 20t is respectable for Highsec (I guess).
29 trillion, but thank you. Blink


Sucky wrote:
Any corp that's never had Sol Epoch, Holeysheet1, NightmareX or Dom Arkaral in it.

*Badumm Tiss*
I had my issues with Sol in the passed, but appointing him to be the Archetype ceo was a smart move. A job he seems to do well.

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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#44 - 2016-06-16 13:13:15 UTC
I know that CODE. elite forces do not technically qualify as mercs, since we fight for a higher purpose and not money. But I think a compelling argument can be made that they are so good and don't even need wardecs in Highsec to operate that they win in this category nevertheless, since they always win, ALWAYS.
Tora Bushido
The Marmite Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#45 - 2016-06-16 13:17:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Tora Bushido
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
I know that CODE. elite forces do not technically qualify as mercs,
The End. Blink

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Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#46 - 2016-06-16 13:30:17 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
I know that CODE. elite forces do not technically qualify as mercs, since we fight for a higher purpose and not money. But I think a compelling argument can be made that they are so good and don't even need wardecs in Highsec to operate that they win in this category nevertheless, since they always win, ALWAYS.


It's the higher purpose thing that disqualifies you. Ideology doesn't put food on the table. Sure you do good work, but....
Mercs work for ass, cash or grass. It's all about that three extra silver stags to turn that guy's kids into orphans.
No matter how awesome the glory is, you can't eat it.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.

Roenok Baalnorn
Baalnorn Heavy Industries
#47 - 2016-06-16 13:32:30 UTC
Serendipity Lost wrote:
Xolve wrote:
Yourmoney Mywallet wrote:
F1-monkeying : high-sec pvp = consoles : pc master race


Real talk- How many highsec merc groups get hired at 150b+ to just push F1 though?





You are the most awesome eve player I have ever met. Thank you for posting here. We are truly blessed.Lol


Comparing what PL does and what HS mercs do and then claiming one is better than the other is kind of silly. Apples and oranges are apples and oranges. Some guys really dislike being in full TIDI being yelled at by a lunatic FC and some guys find no joy in shooting an ibis on the 4-4 undock. This is a true up opinion question. Can't we just give our opinions and their basis and bypass the urge to pee down each others air hose.


I think dropping n+2 supers on a fight is just as lame as 8 dudes w/ link and falcon support lumping up on a 9 day old badger pilot trying to get 20k tritanium to market. I think we can all agree that any form of pvp is good for the game. It shouldn't really matter if you prefer to pvp in a gimp suit or a full blown delux unicorn costume. Just shoot someone w/ you pals and feel awesome about it.


(reprimand from no name non internet/eve famous bitter vet wannabe is now concluded)

Someone should mention privateers in this. Maybe not the best, but they should get credit for a few things. They made CCP change the game at least 2 times. No other merc outfit can claim that.


Roenok Baalnorn wrote:
Pandemic Legion is the best Merc group in the game. Asking who is the best merc group in high sec is like asking who is the best swimmer in the kiddie pool.


PL was my serious answer. I know they dont operate in highsec( at least to my knowledge) but i have fought against them several times. I have a lot of respect for their abilities. They are quite effective and successful when it comes to mercing. IMO, what i consider the best merc group in the game should have at least an honorable mention.

My funny answer was "Asking who is the best merc group in high sec is like asking who is the best swimmer in the kiddie pool." Even though i poke fun at high sec pvp, i consider it a service and necessary. Without high sec mercs/gankers/etc. there would be no encouragement for people to get out of highsec and it would be a completely risk free environment. And no one really wants WoW in space except maybe WoW players.

The general impression is that null fighting is a bunch of pushing F1 while a FC screams at you. First if you have an FC that is screaming, he isnt a good FC. The normal response out of people who are being yelled at is to ignore the person doing the yelling. No one wants to hear that especially in video game. So a screaming FC is going to be less effective than one that doesnt need anger management.

Sov fighting, bashing structures large fleet fights with caps etc is only a tiny part of null warfare. Basically in null we do everything that pvpers in high and lowsec do, we just arent restricted by game mechanics when we do them. Small and medium gangs are a lot more common than large CTA fleets. We have no issues killing 4 day old characters just like high sec pvpers. In fact how many days you have been playing or how many SP you have is completely irrelevant. There is risk when you undock and you consent to this risk regardless of if your 4 days old or 4 years old, whether you undock in null or highsec. If pvpers spent their time checking how newb someone is they would die a lot more and let a lot more targets get away.

I am sure high sec pvpers are not just about ganking and killing mining noobs and null corp members on shopping trips. While its not for me, im sure they enjoy trying to catch unaware players. people who dont pay attention to their wardec list. That decide its ok to rat in their deadspace fit golem because no war targets in system., etc.

At the end of the day, to me anyway, it doesnt matter why you pvp or who you are pvping against, just that you pvp, even if your currently putting me into hull.

My number one fear for Eve is that it will become WoW in space.
Xolve
State War Academy
Caldari State
#48 - 2016-06-16 16:25:15 UTC
Roenok Baalnorn wrote:
The general impression is that null fighting is a bunch of pushing F1 while a FC screams at you. First if you have an FC that is screaming, he isnt a good FC. The normal response out of people who are being yelled at is to ignore the person doing the yelling. No one wants to hear that especially in video game. So a screaming FC is going to be less effective than one that doesnt need anger management.


*shrug* Not all nullsec groups are created equal. Occasionally people derp out over silly things, but for the most part PL fleets are nice and chill- I couldn't imagine flying under someone like DBRB ever again (if you're unacquainted, he screams/shouts non-stop). Some SuperCap FC's get a bit overzealous at time, but when you call for several trillion in assets to jump into a hostile grid- that can be a bit more stressful than welping a subcap fleet.

Some recent exploits (with fleet comms):

vs. CFC (Tower Timer)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvWja-xx_DQ

vs. FETID
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCh8lx9kt5Y

vs. CFC (Capital Hunting)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xn5EjVObrDI

vs. CFC (fun with Killah Bee)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezfFkoMEp-E

vs. IVY League (Citadel Removal), CFC Bonus Round (No Comms, Best fight recently)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVGU86DLEB4

Luukje
Commonwealth Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#49 - 2016-06-16 17:50:41 UTC
Roenok Baalnorn wrote:
Serendipity Lost wrote:
Xolve wrote:
[quote=Yourmoney Mywallet]F1-monkeying : high-sec pvp = consoles : pc master race


Real talk- How many highsec merc groups get hired at 150b+ to just push F1 though?





The general impression is that null fighting is a bunch of pushing F1 while a FC screams at you. First if you have an FC that is screaming, he isnt a good FC. The normal response out of people who are being yelled at is to ignore the person doing the yelling. No one wants to hear that especially in video game. So a screaming FC is going to be less effective than one that doesnt need anger management.


I am sure high sec pvpers are not just about ganking and killing mining noobs and null corp members on shopping trips. While its not for me, im sure they enjoy trying to catch unaware players. people who dont pay attention to their wardec list. That decide its ok to rat in their deadspace fit golem because no war targets in system., etc.

At the end of the day, to me anyway, it doesnt matter why you pvp or who you are pvping against, just that you pvp, even if your currently putting me into hull.

My number one fear for Eve is that it will become WoW in space.


I personally dont enjoy hitting the carebears, its the merc vs merc wars i enjoy. Catching people who know they are being watched 24/7, but still managing to put kills on the board. The nice thing of fighting merc v merc is that there's allot of mindgames involved.

Oh and i cant stand f1 monkey battles (spent most of my days in null), i pref to be able to make a difference in a fight; ie small gang/solo over massive battles.

Snip King
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#50 - 2016-06-16 20:05:58 UTC
Guy Fawkes Trust Fund [GFTF] is my fav merc corp of all time. It used to be one of those newbie friendly pve corps that got decced by every wannabe pvper in eve. And why wouldn't they? we had so many hilarious losses. Just one look at the KB and you would know GFTF has the best carebears in town. Anyways that all changed after some time. Constant wars has made everyone tough. All those who decced us, got hunted down. Corp got transformed from missioners to mercs . It was very successful in merc business later on until it got inactive. You will find many of us in other merc alliances. Few of them made their own alliance, which actually is getting lot of praises here.

Support Can flipping.

Roenok Baalnorn
Baalnorn Heavy Industries
#51 - 2016-06-16 21:52:30 UTC
Xolve wrote:


*shrug* Not all nullsec groups are created equal.


I agree. The group i fly with now is awesome but ive had some FC/groups that just made me cringe, some that were so full of drama that i didnt even bother going out with, CTA or not.

And not all alliances do a large selection of pvp. Some only do CTAs and its easier to get a mining fleet 10 minutes before DT than a small roam at peak. I had a hard time finding a reason to login in those alliances. No point in making your wallet fat if your not going to ever spend it on anything.

Luukje wrote:


Oh and i cant stand f1 monkey battles (spent most of my days in null), i pref to be able to make a difference in a fight; ie small gang/solo over massive battles.



I love small gang work. I just prefer it in null where i dont have to worry about wardecs, concord, station games and hide and seek. Just blitz through a region catching who you can. Sometimes you end up with a few MTUs and sometimes you catch a carrier with his pants down and no one to rescue him:)
Xolve
State War Academy
Caldari State
#52 - 2016-06-16 22:15:05 UTC
Roenok Baalnorn wrote:


I love small gang work. I just prefer it in null where i dont have to worry about wardecs, concord, station games and hide and seek. Just blitz through a region catching who you can. Sometimes you end up with a few MTUs and sometimes you catch a carrier with his pants down and no one to rescue him:)


I did the High Sec thing for quite a while, several years ago. In target focused groups like Devils, and in the mass dec trade hub camping groups like the 0rphanage. Hell, at one point I was even +6 Taloses to a miniluv freighter gank group. The payout is there, for sure- simply because most highsec mission bears never think their purple autism chariot is ever in danger- so a simple gank can greatly inflate your wallet, but those are the minority in a world of frigate and destroyer kills and that's just boring.

I much prefer the often touted 'f1 monkey' life, but where we have 50-60 dudes, and we're fighting 200. There's a certain excitement in using a subcap, a dread and a super all in the same fight; too bad recent capital changes make this a near impossibility.
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#53 - 2016-06-17 02:49:21 UTC
Roenok Baalnorn wrote:
Serendipity Lost wrote:
Xolve wrote:
Yourmoney Mywallet wrote:
F1-monkeying : high-sec pvp = consoles : pc master race


Real talk- How many highsec merc groups get hired at 150b+ to just push F1 though?





You are the most awesome eve player I have ever met. Thank you for posting here. We are truly blessed.Lol


Comparing what PL does and what HS mercs do and then claiming one is better than the other is kind of silly. Apples and oranges are apples and oranges. Some guys really dislike being in full TIDI being yelled at by a lunatic FC and some guys find no joy in shooting an ibis on the 4-4 undock. This is a true up opinion question. Can't we just give our opinions and their basis and bypass the urge to pee down each others air hose.


I think dropping n+2 supers on a fight is just as lame as 8 dudes w/ link and falcon support lumping up on a 9 day old badger pilot trying to get 20k tritanium to market. I think we can all agree that any form of pvp is good for the game. It shouldn't really matter if you prefer to pvp in a gimp suit or a full blown delux unicorn costume. Just shoot someone w/ you pals and feel awesome about it.


(reprimand from no name non internet/eve famous bitter vet wannabe is now concluded)

Someone should mention privateers in this. Maybe not the best, but they should get credit for a few things. They made CCP change the game at least 2 times. No other merc outfit can claim that.


Roenok Baalnorn wrote:
Pandemic Legion is the best Merc group in the game. Asking who is the best merc group in high sec is like asking who is the best swimmer in the kiddie pool.


PL was my serious answer. I know they dont operate in highsec( at least to my knowledge) but i have fought against them several times. I have a lot of respect for their abilities. They are quite effective and successful when it comes to mercing. IMO, what i consider the best merc group in the game should have at least an honorable mention.

My funny answer was "Asking who is the best merc group in high sec is like asking who is the best swimmer in the kiddie pool." Even though i poke fun at high sec pvp, i consider it a service and necessary. Without high sec mercs/gankers/etc. there would be no encouragement for people to get out of highsec and it would be a completely risk free environment. And no one really wants WoW in space except maybe WoW players.

The general impression is that null fighting is a bunch of pushing F1 while a FC screams at you. First if you have an FC that is screaming, he isnt a good FC. The normal response out of people who are being yelled at is to ignore the person doing the yelling. No one wants to hear that especially in video game. So a screaming FC is going to be less effective than one that doesnt need anger management.

Sov fighting, bashing structures large fleet fights with caps etc is only a tiny part of null warfare. Basically in null we do everything that pvpers in high and lowsec do, we just arent restricted by game mechanics when we do them. Small and medium gangs are a lot more common than large CTA fleets. We have no issues killing 4 day old characters just like high sec pvpers. In fact how many days you have been playing or how many SP you have is completely irrelevant. There is risk when you undock and you consent to this risk regardless of if your 4 days old or 4 years old, whether you undock in null or highsec. If pvpers spent their time checking how newb someone is they would die a lot more and let a lot more targets get away.

I am sure high sec pvpers are not just about ganking and killing mining noobs and null corp members on shopping trips. While its not for me, im sure they enjoy trying to catch unaware players. people who dont pay attention to their wardec list. That decide its ok to rat in their deadspace fit golem because no war targets in system., etc.

At the end of the day, to me anyway, it doesnt matter why you pvp or who you are pvping against, just that you pvp, even if your currently putting me into hull.

My number one fear for Eve is that it will become WoW in space.



"The general impression is that null fighting is a bunch of pushing F1 while a FC screams at you. First if you have an FC that is screaming, he isnt a good FC. The normal response out of people who are being yelled at is to ignore the person doing the yelling. No one wants to hear that especially in video game. So a screaming FC is going to be less effective than one that doesnt need anger management."


Please google 'armor hacs eve' then get back to me Big smile
Yourmoney Mywallet
Doomheim
#54 - 2016-06-17 03:23:07 UTC
"uhmuh hacs, uhmuh hacs, uuuuhmuhhhh haaacs!" Lol
Xolve
State War Academy
Caldari State
#55 - 2016-06-17 03:26:22 UTC
Serendipity Lost wrote:
Please google 'armor hacs eve' then get back to me Big smile


Carbon Fury deserved to get yelled at for bad target calling.

Also- Shadoo hasn't actually played in years.
jack1974
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2016-06-17 05:24:36 UTC  |  Edited by: jack1974
I'm going to be biased but also support my statements.

My highsec main is/was Zeus Maximo and I was the CEO of Mentally Assured Destruction which later formed the Pursuit of Happiness. I respect quite a few opinions here but I'd be hard pressed to find someone who has slept around as much as myself. Twisted

Merc groups I flew/fly with on alts/mains:

Northern Strike
God Squad.
Break-A-Wish
The Vikings Reborn
U-Mad
UWOF
PL

Well known mercs I regularly flew with:
Vegas Mirage
Uncle Bao
Kai
Adriel
Yuller
Scandor
Trottel Martin
MirrorGod
Saeger
Holey Sheet
Gourock
Jimmy15
Dwayne
Yendaj
Scorps
Doctor Per
Flumz
Solj
Ju0
Genghis Kaun
Fogg
Alekseyev Karrde
PL dudes
and many many more.....

^^ I still keep in contact with a lot of these people one way or another ^^

To get to my point, I think I have enough experience to give a well rounded multi-part answer.

Ever existed list:
Best Merc in Eve= PL
Best Merc in High-sec at the moment= Vendetta
Most Efficient and Elitist merc= Break-A-Wish
Best Recruiter in High-sec= Tora
Best **** talkers in High-sec= Jimmy/Dwayne
Most resilient= Devils
Most notorious mercs= Privateers, God Squad, Orphanage, MC, Noir
Most organized= MC, Noir, Orphanage

And last but not least, I'll wager Mentally Assured Destruction as one of if not the most WELL ROUNDED MERCS to have ever existed in highsec(the biased part).


Things we excelled at in highsec during our active stage:

  • Locater agent hunting (picked this up from Break-A-Wish)
  • Solo pvp (had 3 humans in corp who were top 100 on battleclinic, and no they werent station campers)
  • Station camping (Ivy League still hates us, forced RVB to drop their 500 mill per pod loss rule)
  • Oversized afterburners (100mn tengus and 10mn destroyers were our thing)
  • Logi Support (picked this up from God Squad and BAW)
  • Mass war decs (Ran Whores in Space, First merc alliance in highsec to hit 1 trillion isk destroyed via recorded wars)
  • Meta Gaming (Brought high-sec Galactic Skyfleet Empire and Praetorian Directorate)
  • Hunting (old Umad members still excel in every alliance they are in, in hunting)
  • Perma Deccing (Had Ivy league decced for minimum 1 year, CCP changed war dec mechanics)
  • Broke war-dec assists (Russian corp pullied in 40+ allies on us(would cost like 2 trillion isk nowadays) CCP changed to modern day mechanics)
  • Friendship (had no blues but was friends with every merc leadership)
  • Youtube videos ( Many Here and Xolve also linked some of mine)


With all of this said I recommend Mentally Assured Destruction as the best high sec merc to have ever existed in high-sec.

<3
Mike Adoulin
Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club
#57 - 2016-06-17 05:37:21 UTC
*looks at Tora*

orly?

Have at you, sir.

Pirate

Everything in EVE is a trap.

And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)

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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#58 - 2016-06-17 05:44:50 UTC
Xolve wrote:
Serendipity Lost wrote:
Please google 'armor hacs eve' then get back to me Big smile


Carbon Fury deserved to get yelled at for bad target calling.

Also- Shadoo hasn't actually played in years.



I've been watching eve vids / sound bites for a decade. It's one of my favorites.

Sahriah BloodStone
State War Academy
Caldari State
#59 - 2016-06-17 06:17:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Sahriah BloodStone
Luukje wrote:


I personally dont enjoy hitting the carebears, its the merc vs merc wars i enjoy. Catching people who know they are being watched 24/7, but still managing to put kills on the board. The nice thing of fighting merc v merc is that there's allot of mindgames involved.

Oh and i cant stand f1 monkey battles (spent most of my days in null), i pref to be able to make a difference in a fight; ie small gang/solo over massive battles.



Nullsec is only f1 pushing if you don't step up, which most people don't. I used to have a similar mindset until I decided to give it a serious shot and now I am often quad boxing as a Logi fc, dread alt, links and a scout, not to mention very regularly managing entosis wings and coordinating nodes and there are still a ton of things I could be doing ontop of that like using an alt dictor or combat probing. Outside of battles there is heaps of planning and coordination that goes into wars, taking into account jump ranges and constellation layouts. Eve is as easy or as hard as you want to make it.

To answer the question though. I don't think it's possible to crown any one group as the best. Too many groups have existed over the years that do too many different things better than their competition to ever pick one best one.

Edit: wew my laptop somehow completely messed my post up. Fixed

Sahriah Bloodstone

No.Mercy // Triumvirate

"Never underestimate your enemy or disrespect its abilities. If you do, you shall become the hunted "

Tora Bushido
The Marmite Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#60 - 2016-06-17 08:22:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Tora Bushido
jack1974 wrote:

  • Oversized afterburners (100mn tengus and 10mn destroyers were our thing)
  • Mass war decs (Ran Whores in Space, First merc alliance in highsec to hit 1 trillion isk destroyed via recorded wars)
  • Meta Gaming (Brought high-sec Galactic Skyfleet Empire and Praetorian Directorate)

  • With all of this said I recommend Mentally Assured Destruction as the best high sec merc to have ever existed in high-sec.
    <3
    I still hate your 100MN Tengu's. Very effective Twisted You're not the first to hit 1 trillion in 1 month. Marmites and Whores both had that in may 2013. With 29 trillion killed Marmites is probably also the merc alliance that killed the most in highsec by far. Not sure about the longest running. And you meta gamed Skyfleet ? If so, how did I end up with all their assets and 600 pocos ? Blink

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