Market Discussions

The key is to earn the trust, something if you want to be successful you will invest a lot of time into proving pilots can count on you. I get questions like this many times and tbh there's no shortcuts, it will take time and dedication.

Like Grendell said, I landed in this line of work more of less by accident too, I was asked by friends to help them, then their friends asked me and so it went on, but it took over a year before I went from friends to "public", and by that time I had already provided other services for a few years so my name was not completely unknown.

My suggestion, like it is to others is to start small, try help friends, try help locals, be it doing courier missions for them or helping finding items. You can try by running small lotteries and over time increase values. Don't expect to get billion ISK values the first week, expect it to take years by showing that pilots can count on you.

The key is to build a reputation where the reputation itself is worth more than any deals you take on, that will make both yourself and your customers safe. And remember always be polite, a happy customer has happy friends.

The way I got in to public 3rd party services was more or less an accident.

A long time ago I started a free service giving T2 bpo evaluations. As business picked up and more and more clients seemed happy with my work, I started getting asked to sell their bpos. That kept going for a while and I started to dabble in lotteries by starting my own. Over time I was approached to secure other peoples lotteries, which I eventually did as I kept getting asked. Once in a while people would ask for a supercap transfers, alliances, shares, etc. As requests started coming in more and more often I decided, to start a thread, since I was already basically running a 3rd party service.

That's how I sort of fell in.
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I stumbled into the 3rd party world through leading Triumvirate alliance. It was a very respected, successful and well known PvP alliance with influence and prime space. I had a great relationship with many other alliances leaders and directors, even though we fought them all I knew them all well enough to strike up a friendly conversation, even before a fight. I always wanted to be known as a person of my word, fair and open about my intentions.

Supercapitals entered the game and were becoming more and more common and when my alliance started buying and selling them, I was first asked to secure them internally and later started to secure them between my alliance and other alliances. Eventually, even our enemies trusted me to secure the trades, particularly if Chribba was not available. It became more and more common and as so many trades went smoothly, I realised I could do it as a side line to leading an alliance.

Years later, whilst I don't lead an alliance anymore, my reputation and business is thriving with many trillions of isk and 1,200+ supercapital trades (at time of writing) secured through my service. It was never my intention to go into the 3rd party business, it was a very fortunate accident as a result of playing the game as a very honest and friendly person.

Many people say that no one is fully trustworthy and that with enough ISK on the table, anyone would steal. For me, the bigger the deal is that I am securing, the more guilt I would feel at being responsible for destroying the days, weeks, months, years of work that they may have put into building those assets. ISK is worth nothing in comparison to reputation, yet by being an honest 3rd party I have been rewarded with both.

I thank the players for entrusting me with their hard earned money. It is a responsibility I will never take lightly.

Kind regards,
Dark

Im abit like Darknesss here.
I stumbled into the 3rd party world, when i aquired my First Titan.
Bought a Titan, from an alliance mate, back in IT Alliance. He trusted me enough to do the trade with me.
- He was a well know respected guy in the BoB, Kenzoku trough IT Alliance.

I thought to myself, i might be able to do this inside alliance.
This was back, when supercaptals started to spam them game in the 100s.
First in IT alliance, i started doing these trades between our members.
It evolved into beeing between our alliance and other allys.

Suddenly my reputation was getting out there by all kinds of eve players.
Many of our so called enemies inside IT Alliance didnt use me.
It wasent before, and Alliance mate of mine sold his Leviathan to a Goonswarm member my reputation got know trough all of new eden.
This was back in around 2009-2010.

Some time later i started doing lotteries, that got sold out quite quick aswell.
I evolved into beeing the go-to-guy when the 3 others where not avalible.

As Darknesss points out, people say that no one is fully trustworthy and i get that.
With enough ISK on the line, anyone would steal.
For me, its the same guilt inside. The bigger the deal the bigger the guilt i would feel.
Some people, this might be years of playing our beloved sandbox game.
The largest amount i have ever hold in one go, was 7.2 Trillion isk. And even so, i would never be able to forgive myself if i ever would steal.
ISK as Darknesss points out, is worth nothing to ones reputation.
Beeing a 3rd party is not making ones rich. So people think we make billions of billions of isk a week is wrong.
Some make more than otheres, but in the end, we do this cuz you guys trust us and we can then help you.

I would like to thank the community for trusting me trough the years with there isk, ships and more.

Kind Regards,

Wirox

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