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End of DX9 => I need a new GPU

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Gil Warden
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2016-06-09 19:12:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Gil Warden
I guess my nearly 10 year old card just won't cut it any longer.

Given that my CPU and computer have no trouble with it, it comes down to the GPU really. The problem is that the computer is OLD, as in 9½ years old, and I won't be able to replace it any time soon either, which does put some constraints on the GPU.

Provided the CPU can handle it, will a GTX 750Ti be able to run 3 simultaneous EVE sessions on medium to high settings?

P.S.: I usually run the instances in windowed mode at 1600x900 or 1280x800. The latter if I'm just mining.
Anhenka
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2016-06-09 19:23:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Anhenka
Gil Warden wrote:
I guess my nearly 10 year old card just won't cut it any longer.

Given that my CPU and computer have no trouble with it, it comes down to the GPU really. The problem is that the computer is OLD, as in 9½ years old, and I won't be able to replace it any time soon either, which does put some constraints on the GPU.

Provided the CPU can handle it, will a GTX 750Ti be able to run 3 simultaneous EVE sessions on medium to high settings?


I ran 4 clients on low on a 670M laptop.

I sort of doubt you will be able to run 3 on high without a good bit of strain, but if 1-2 are ones you don't care a ton about, one account on high with all the bells and whistles and then two on medium-low + lasers/missiles/effects should run smoothly.
Gil Warden
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2016-06-09 19:32:30 UTC
Anhenka wrote:

I ran 4 clients on low on a 670M laptop.


Thanks. IIRC the 750 Ti sits between the 950M and the full 950, and should be roughly comparable to your 670M.
Iain Cariaba
#4 - 2016-06-11 03:21:51 UTC
I ran three, sometime four, clients in window mode at 2560x1600 on medium graphics with a GT 560. Anything higher should have no difficulties, but the GT 560 is cheap.

Sadly, I've recently upgraded to a GTX 960 and a 4k screen and have some overheating issues when running more than 2 clients in fixed window. Fullscreen doesn't cause any problems, but multi-boxing is a pain with the alt-tab delay when switching fullscreen clients.
Mortlake
Republic Military School
#5 - 2016-06-11 07:09:23 UTC
Unsure about the 750.

I have a 950 and I run 3 clients windowed on hi res at 60fps or thereabouts.

Sometimes you hit the bar and sometimes the bar hits you...
Geronimo McVain
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2016-06-11 08:41:13 UTC
A nearly 10 years old mainboard had other other power specifications then a modern one. PCIe 1 had a higher Voltage then modern GPUs. So you will have to find something that will fit into your mainboard, which will be hard to find. You can't really make a mistake because the contacts are different so you can't fry your new GPU if the specs don't fit but it will be useless.

IMHO does the end of DX9 support only mean that you will not see some modern effects but not that EVE will require DX10 or higher.
Monstah Khaos
ElevenBravo
#7 - 2016-06-11 17:27:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Monstah Khaos
Gil Warden wrote:
I guess my nearly 10 year old card just won't cut it any longer.

Given that my CPU and computer have no trouble with it, it comes down to the GPU really. The problem is that the computer is OLD, as in 9½ years old, and I won't be able to replace it any time soon either, which does put some constraints on the GPU.

Provided the CPU can handle it, will a GTX 750Ti be able to run 3 simultaneous EVE sessions on medium to high settings?

P.S.: I usually run the instances in windowed mode at 1600x900 or 1280x800. The latter if I'm just mining.


I had to drop the other 3 XP laptops (need to keep XP on them) and pulled out the spare Optiplex 780s with 7 on them.

Yesterday I went and bought 2 GT 710's low profile and only running 4gb RAM on the machines. The CPUs are Dual Core E5700s (3GHz) and EVE runs fine at max settings.

The other one is an Optiplex 790 I put a GT 740 in and it has 10GB RAM with an i7 8-core in it and it runs fine at max as well.

The 4th is my bad boy Alienware I got a few months ago so yea..

Really you can grab a card from newegg or locally for $50 (suggest a DDR3 2GB) and run EVE all "prettied" out with no problems. EVE is very memory intensive so I would suggest no less than 4GB RAM. The first 2 I mentioned are older left over from a project computers that had 2GB in them and EVE was a little rough even at low settings. I added 2 more GB with the onboard card (2008 machines according to specs) and it made a world of difference. I picked up those GT 710s for $40 a pop at BestBuy (had them price match Newegg since Newegg has them on sale).

Sounds like you are running dual monitor setups? These will do it. I saved desk space and went with a KVM switch between the computers. 1 touch button and I switch to the other with about .5 second delay (as long as all resolutions are same so monitor doesn't have to adjust).

GTX is a better card but I would suggest you read up on the power supply requirements. These 710s say 300w but the system is a 250w and runs fine. You get up to the GTX 760 range you will need at least 350-400w PSU. I had to upgrade the Opti790 from the 250w. You can pick up a 400w for about $30-$40 in a BestBuy store.

Basically what I am getting at is - Before you go dump a CPU in (and more than likely a board an everything if you are 10yrs old on the PC), try going with some RAM if you haven't already and at least a 2GB DDR3 card. Everyone screams EVE is more CPU intensive than anything but a balanced system works better than anything... You can drop an 800hp engine in a car but if you are running a junk transmission and rear end you won't be doing much better than the 500hp balanced car.
Kinete Jenius
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2016-06-12 13:30:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Kinete Jenius
Monstah Khaos wrote:
I had to drop the other 3 XP laptops (need to keep XP on them) and pulled out the spare Optiplex 780s with 7 on them.

Yesterday I went and bought 2 GT 710's low profile and only running 4gb RAM on the machines. The CPUs are Dual Core E5700s (3GHz) and EVE runs fine at max settings.

The other one is an Optiplex 790 I put a GT 740 in and it has 10GB RAM with an i7 8-core in it and it runs fine at max as well.

The 4th is my bad boy Alienware I got a few months ago so yea..

Really you can grab a card from newegg or locally for $50 (suggest a DDR3 2GB) and run EVE all "prettied" out with no problems. EVE is very memory intensive so I would suggest no less than 4GB RAM. The first 2 I mentioned are older left over from a project computers that had 2GB in them and EVE was a little rough even at low settings. I added 2 more GB with the onboard card (2008 machines according to specs) and it made a world of difference. I picked up those GT 710s for $40 a pop at BestBuy (had them price match Newegg since Newegg has them on sale).

Sounds like you are running dual monitor setups? These will do it. I saved desk space and went with a KVM switch between the computers. 1 touch button and I switch to the other with about .5 second delay (as long as all resolutions are same so monitor doesn't have to adjust).

GTX is a better card but I would suggest you read up on the power supply requirements. These 710s say 300w but the system is a 250w and runs fine. You get up to the GTX 760 range you will need at least 350-400w PSU. I had to upgrade the Opti790 from the 250w. You can pick up a 400w for about $30-$40 in a BestBuy store.

Basically what I am getting at is - Before you go dump a CPU in (and more than likely a board an everything if you are 10yrs old on the PC), try going with some RAM if you haven't already and at least a 2GB DDR3 card. Everyone screams EVE is more CPU intensive than anything but a balanced system works better than anything... You can drop an 800hp engine in a car but if you are running a junk transmission and rear end you won't be doing much better than the 500hp balanced car.
Eve likes CPU when lots of stuff is going on but it ALWAYS likes to gobble up ram every time you open an extra client.

I can run 10 clients in windowed mode on an e7200 (3.2ghz) with 8 GB ddr3, hd5770 1gb (1680x1050) well enough to move characters around highsec. That's a dual core cpu from 8 years ago.

http://i.imgur.com/2LgW727.jpg

I'm not terribly convinced that you need much CPU outside of serious multiboxing.
Algarion Getz
Aideron Corp
#9 - 2016-06-12 16:57:30 UTC
Gil Warden wrote:
I guess my nearly 10 year old card just won't cut it any longer.

Given that my CPU and computer have no trouble with it, it comes down to the GPU really. The problem is that the computer is OLD, as in 9½ years old, and I won't be able to replace it any time soon either, which does put some constraints on the GPU.

Provided the CPU can handle it, will a GTX 750Ti be able to run 3 simultaneous EVE sessions on medium to high settings?

P.S.: I usually run the instances in windowed mode at 1600x900 or 1280x800. The latter if I'm just mining.

I suggest you save for a while and then build a complete gaming PC yourself once the AMD Polaris graphics cards are established.

You are just creating bottlenecks when you buy modern hardware for a 10+ year old PC.
Monstah Khaos
ElevenBravo
#10 - 2016-06-12 18:04:59 UTC
Kinete Jenius wrote:
Monstah Khaos wrote:
I had to drop the other 3 XP laptops (need to keep XP on them) and pulled out the spare Optiplex 780s with 7 on them.

Yesterday I went and bought 2 GT 710's low profile and only running 4gb RAM on the machines. The CPUs are Dual Core E5700s (3GHz) and EVE runs fine at max settings.

The other one is an Optiplex 790 I put a GT 740 in and it has 10GB RAM with an i7 8-core in it and it runs fine at max as well.

The 4th is my bad boy Alienware I got a few months ago so yea..

Really you can grab a card from newegg or locally for $50 (suggest a DDR3 2GB) and run EVE all "prettied" out with no problems. EVE is very memory intensive so I would suggest no less than 4GB RAM. The first 2 I mentioned are older left over from a project computers that had 2GB in them and EVE was a little rough even at low settings. I added 2 more GB with the onboard card (2008 machines according to specs) and it made a world of difference. I picked up those GT 710s for $40 a pop at BestBuy (had them price match Newegg since Newegg has them on sale).

Sounds like you are running dual monitor setups? These will do it. I saved desk space and went with a KVM switch between the computers. 1 touch button and I switch to the other with about .5 second delay (as long as all resolutions are same so monitor doesn't have to adjust).

GTX is a better card but I would suggest you read up on the power supply requirements. These 710s say 300w but the system is a 250w and runs fine. You get up to the GTX 760 range you will need at least 350-400w PSU. I had to upgrade the Opti790 from the 250w. You can pick up a 400w for about $30-$40 in a BestBuy store.

Basically what I am getting at is - Before you go dump a CPU in (and more than likely a board an everything if you are 10yrs old on the PC), try going with some RAM if you haven't already and at least a 2GB DDR3 card. Everyone screams EVE is more CPU intensive than anything but a balanced system works better than anything... You can drop an 800hp engine in a car but if you are running a junk transmission and rear end you won't be doing much better than the 500hp balanced car.
Eve likes CPU when lots of stuff is going on but it ALWAYS likes to gobble up ram every time you open an extra client.

I can run 10 clients in windowed mode on an e7200 (3.2ghz) with 8 GB ddr3, hd5770 1gb (1680x1050) well enough to move characters around highsec. That's a dual core cpu from 8 years ago.

http://i.imgur.com/2LgW727.jpg

I'm not terribly convinced that you need much CPU outside of serious multiboxing.


I agree, the 3 XP laptops I used I ran on low settings and they are pretty slow on CPU and things were ok for multi-boxing. I like to run 1 box per client as opposed to multi-clients to help cut down the strain. I work with computers in my field so I always have spares laying around. Not everyone can do that I know...but as I see EVE compared to most modern games is pretty "forgiving" on your system requirements. RAM and a little multi-purpose card all under $100..can't beat that.

These other machines I talked about are EVE machines only. I did a fresh windows install on them and turned off the updates from SP1 just bc it will take DAYS to update... I do nothing else with them. I personally wouldn't "build" a machine unless I had a lot of other games I play on it. Unless the OP is into a lot of large battles of course.... In that case...bye bye check-boxes for effects lol.
Kinete Jenius
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2016-06-12 19:53:54 UTC
Monstah Khaos wrote:
I agree, the 3 XP laptops I used I ran on low settings and they are pretty slow on CPU and things were ok for multi-boxing. I like to run 1 box per client as opposed to multi-clients to help cut down the strain. I work with computers in my field so I always have spares laying around. Not everyone can do that I know...but as I see EVE compared to most modern games is pretty "forgiving" on your system requirements. RAM and a little multi-purpose card all under $100..can't beat that.

These other machines I talked about are EVE machines only. I did a fresh windows install on them and turned off the updates from SP1 just bc it will take DAYS to update... I do nothing else with them. I personally wouldn't "build" a machine unless I had a lot of other games I play on it. Unless the OP is into a lot of large battles of course.... In that case...bye bye check-boxes for effects lol.

The e7200 machine is a secondary machine that excluding the mobo and ram contains parts from my old main system. Used to run it at 4ghz on air during winter (4-6 months of the year).



as for the comment earlier about building a new machine..

I would wait to build a new machine until at least the end of the year. AMD is scheduled to begin releasing the ZEN based CPUs by the end of this year. According to engineer samples tested those CPUs should hang easily with Intel's latest stuff and at a reduced cost. Then there's the GPU side of things as stated earlier.
Archibald Thistlewaite III
The Royal Society for the Prevention of Miners
#12 - 2016-06-12 20:22:30 UTC
Gil Warden wrote:
I guess my nearly 10 year old card just won't cut it any longer.

Given that my CPU and computer have no trouble with it, it comes down to the GPU really. The problem is that the computer is OLD, as in 9½ years old, and I won't be able to replace it any time soon either, which does put some constraints on the GPU.

Provided the CPU can handle it, will a GTX 750Ti be able to run 3 simultaneous EVE sessions on medium to high settings?

P.S.: I usually run the instances in windowed mode at 1600x900 or 1280x800. The latter if I'm just mining.

I use that card and have had no problems running 4 accounts. 2 on high settings and 2 on low.

This was last year though, so I don't know if any recaent changes have increased the load Eve places on the GPU.

User of 'Bumblefck's Luscious & Luminous Mustachio Wax'
Sustrai Aditua
Intandofisa
#13 - 2016-06-12 22:33:20 UTC
CaesarGREG
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2016-06-13 11:30:21 UTC
I see another problem with DX11

CCP pls do somthing with draging selected items into containters.


ON DX11 draging slowed down slower than mouse speed.

DX9 was fine Drag speed = Mouse speed.
CaesarGREG
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2016-06-13 11:34:39 UTC

+This game offers many profesions:
For example : industry , trading dont need high end GPU.

+Changing from DX9 > DX11 > its not only cost of buying new GPU , higher cost is buy new Windows like 7,8 , windows xp do not support DX 11 !!!!!!!

+This change is forcing ppl to change operating system, some ppl have programs for work wich r designed for older systems, new systems like 7 , 8 have problems with support of old visual basic 6.
CCP Darwin
C C P
C C P Alliance
#16 - 2016-06-13 11:43:53 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Darwin
CaesarGREG wrote:
ON DX11 draging slowed down slower than mouse speed.

DX9 was fine Drag speed = Mouse speed.

Please bug report this by pressing F12 and choosing Report Bug, or by submitting a report here.

Note that DX9 will likely continue to be supported for a while after Windows XP support ends on June 30th.

CCP Darwin  •  Senior Software Engineer, Art & Graphics, EVE Online  •  @mark_wilkins
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#17 - 2016-06-13 22:09:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
CCP Darwin wrote:
Note that DX9 will likely continue to be supported for a while after Windows XP support ends on June 30th.

Microsoft XP support ended April 8th, 2014.

Ya, time to upgrade!

However, I personally refuse to upgrade to Windows 10, because of its data harvesting [which has been proven to still harvest even when explicitly configured not to].
Joia Crenca
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#18 - 2016-06-14 14:56:58 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
CCP Darwin wrote:
Note that DX9 will likely continue to be supported for a while after Windows XP support ends on June 30th.

Microsoft XP support ended April 8th, 2014.

Ya, time to upgrade!

However, I personally refuse to upgrade to Windows 10, because of its data harvesting [which has been proven to still harvest even when explicitly configured not to].



It's not always understood that a number of us are refusing to go to Windows 10 for that and a couple of other reasons. I can handle Windows 8.1, and prefer 7 for ease of use, and again, the lack of Microsoft's harvesting of *ME*.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#19 - 2016-06-14 15:03:35 UTC
Joia Crenca wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
CCP Darwin wrote:
Note that DX9 will likely continue to be supported for a while after Windows XP support ends on June 30th.

Microsoft XP support ended April 8th, 2014.

Ya, time to upgrade!

However, I personally refuse to upgrade to Windows 10, because of its data harvesting [which has been proven to still harvest even when explicitly configured not to].



It's not always understood that a number of us are refusing to go to Windows 10 for that and a couple of other reasons. I can handle Windows 8.1, and prefer 7 for ease of use, and again, the lack of Microsoft's harvesting of *ME*.


you know windows 7 and 8 have been updated to collect data aswell?

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Ix Method
Doomheim
#20 - 2016-06-14 15:11:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Ix Method
The 750ti will do admirably if your motherboard supports it fully (its been a while since I sold mine but I think it needs a full-fat PCI-E 2 slot) and fwiw is far more powerful than a 670M.

Joia Crenca wrote:
I can handle Windows 8.1, and prefer 7 for ease of use, and again, the lack of Microsoft's harvesting of *ME*.

Do a quick google, this no longer true Sad

Travelling at the speed of love.
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