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Shallanna Yassavi
qwertz corp
#21 - 2016-06-09 12:12:30 UTC
Something with an AMD APU might be worth a look in a month or three. The next socket is due out about then. Probably you will be able to upgrade again when Zen is released, which will be a very significant step-without having to replace everything, though you probably will have to flash the BIOS. Intel CPUs are generally better if you want to add a separate graphics card, but for EVE, I'm not sure that's necessary.

Depending on what you have, just buying and installing a copy of Win7/8/10 might be an option. You said 7+ years old, so it might actually work. It might actually work well if you drop some more RAM in, so your current parts list might be worth looking at if all you do is EVE.
Or install Linux, compile (32-bit!) Wine, and run the game that way.

With that said, I'm running on an AMD Phenom II hexacore at 3.2 GHz, and it runs pretty well. This:
AMD 7860k. You could get the 95W parts, but they offer very little extra performance and are a lot hungrier.
ASUS A88X-PRO.
Crucial BX200 SSD (480GB) <- Boot and load time goes poof
G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2133
(Insert Windows Home OEM license here, or skip and use Linux)
(Insert case with power supply here)

Should run the game very nicely. It has a little wiggle room for upgrades: you can add a GPU and/or memory later.
If you do decide to run Wine, the AMD APU will enable you to use native DirectX 9.

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bardghost Isu
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#22 - 2016-06-09 21:52:33 UTC
Geronimo McVain wrote:
bardghost Isu wrote:
OP, For what its worth it may be worth waiting a little while. The new polaris GPU's are around the corner (3-4 weeks) and look capable of offering some danm good power for $200. I'm not sure about CPU's but again the new AMD chips are coming in the next few months, So if you were to go for a current AMD cpu it'll be pretty danm obsolete within the next 6 months.

I don't know what the timeframe for xp discontinuation is off my head, But could I advise the devs to maybe look at holding it off until the next major Chip releases are done so people don't buy some almost obsolete stuff for similar prices to what the new stuff will probably release at.

If you need singlecore power there is nothing but Intel. I'm an AMD Fan but at the Moment Intel is the way to go. I'm with you about the Polaris GPU, near to the 980 and damm cheap for the power. It's the way that I will upgrade my computer. Intel some 200€ Cpu, Polaris GPU ~200€, Mainboard + Memory something about 150€. What is really worth the buck is an SSD. Not really for games but for overall performance: you click and the program is there.



Yeah intel is the way to go for singlecore, but I was just suggesting AMD as it's a fair bit cheaper and if the 40% higher IPC is true then it may be a good bang for buck chips they may get to a point similar to that of polaris, Cheap as hell whilst providing decent power.
bardghost Isu
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#23 - 2016-06-09 21:55:46 UTC
Shallanna Yassavi wrote:
Something with an AMD APU might be worth a look in a month or three. The next socket is due out about then. Probably you will be able to upgrade again when Zen is released, which will be a very significant step-without having to replace everything, though you probably will have to flash the BIOS. Intel CPUs are generally better if you want to add a separate graphics card, but for EVE, I'm not sure that's necessary.

Depending on what you have, just buying and installing a copy of Win7/8/10 might be an option. You said 7+ years old, so it might actually work. It might actually work well if you drop some more RAM in, so your current parts list might be worth looking at if all you do is EVE.
Or install Linux, compile (32-bit!) Wine, and run the game that way.

With that said, I'm running on an AMD Phenom II hexacore at 3.2 GHz, and it runs pretty well. This:
AMD 7860k. You could get the 95W parts, but they offer very little extra performance and are a lot hungrier.
ASUS A88X-PRO.
Crucial BX200 SSD (480GB) <- Boot and load time goes poof
G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2133
(Insert Windows Home OEM license here, or skip and use Linux)
(Insert case with power supply here)

Should run the game very nicely. It has a little wiggle room for upgrades: you can add a GPU and/or memory later.
If you do decide to run Wine, the AMD APU will enable you to use native DirectX 9.



Good point, OP is there a chance we could get a current build list of your existing PC or was it just a out of the box bought from a store kind of thing.
John E'Texan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2016-06-10 02:44:13 UTC  |  Edited by: John E'Texan
Hey all, thanks for the really great advice given so far!

The computer I'm using is an HP Compaq dc7600 convertible, which I picked up from a place where I used to work.

It is running 2 Gb of RAM and an NVIDIA GeForce GT 240 card

http://www.nvidia.com/object/product_geforce_gt_240_us.html

The processor is a Pentium D and allegedly runs at 3.39 GHz

I was looking at going with the suggestion of putting in some more RAM and running Windows 10 on it, but according to the spec page:

http://h20564.www2.hp.com/hpsc/doc/public/display?docId=emr_na-c00374051

The maximum memory is 4 Gb of DDR2 Synch DRAM PC2-5300 (667 MHz) non-ECC memory

Although the webpage at Clarion suggests:

Quote:
When using PC2-5300 parts the maximum memory is 2GB. When using PC2-4200 the maximum is 4GB.


http://www.crucial.com/usa/en/scanview/096F060A31D926C3

I don't know if this would be a problem - any thoughts? I did a quick browse on their website and it doesn't look like they stock PC2-4200 memory. The searches I've done on that seem to bring up laptop memory, which doesn't seem right.

This looks like it might be what I'm looking for:
https://www.oempcworld.com/OEMPCworld-com/1_0G-PC2-4200E.html

I've also sent an email to Crucial asking about this.

From the Windows 10 specs, a 32 bit OS calls for minimum 2Gb whereas a 64 bit calls for 4Gb min.

I suppose I could run the 32 bit OS with the max 4Gb of RAM or would 64 bit be better?

The computer spec page also says this ships with a 365 W power supply. I'm sure the cheapest available NVIDIA card would run rings around the GT 240, but would it burden the power supply?

The NVIDIA selection tool seems to suggest these two models:

GTX 750 Ti

GTX 950 - which has been suggested above.

As always - all advice is appreciated.
Shallanna Yassavi
qwertz corp
#25 - 2016-06-10 06:01:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Shallanna Yassavi
I'd replace that. Anything modern is going to run circles around it. You have the fastest CPU that motherboard will take. The computer itself is somewhere around 13 (!!!) years old. It doesn't appear HP released a BIOS update to allow it to use the slightly newer Core (2) Duo/Quad.

If you haven't taken it outside with a can of compressed "air" (difluoroethane usually), it's probably choking on dust and not able to keep cool.

Windows 10 would probably run on it at usable speeds if it didn't enable full disk encryption. Pentium 4 doesn't have the instructions in hardware to do full disk encryption, so if that got enabled, anything disk-related (ex. booting or loading a program) would be insanely slow.

A totally new computer would be *way* faster. You might keep that one (offline!) to run programs which won't work in a newer version of Windows.
Edit: But, if you buy an off-the-shelf computer, it will probably come with software you will never use, which will make it feel like your old one. If you build your own and don't install all the trialware and "maintenance" software, it will be a lot faster.

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Demolishar
United Aggression
#26 - 2016-06-10 10:41:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Demolishar
Buy a second hand gaming PC, it will be much cheaper. Format all drives, install OS and you're good to go.
EVE does not really require a good PC - I was running 8 clients on a machine from 2008 [with low settings] recently.
Celise Katelo
State War Academy
Caldari State
#27 - 2016-06-10 17:07:27 UTC
Demolishar wrote:
Buy a second hand gaming PC, it will be much cheaper. Format all drives, install OS and you're good to go.
EVE does not really require a good PC - I was running 8 clients on a machine from 2008 [with low settings] recently.


Never ever buy a second hand PC or parts..... Shocked

Also never get a PC that is running a 32bit operating system - Since its so out of date it would be pointless.

I would keep on saving & get something like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1OQGAlVr28#t=22.683604

EVE online has amazing graphics when you have a semi decent system. I truly think its worth spending a little bit more.

EVEBoard ...Just over 60million skill points, each skill was chosen for a reason. I closed my eyes & clicked another skill to train... "BINGO...!!!" ... "This time i got something usefull"
bardghost Isu
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#28 - 2016-06-10 18:08:18 UTC
John E'Texan wrote:
Hey all, thanks for the really great advice given so far!

The computer I'm using is an HP Compaq dc7600 convertible, which I picked up from a place where I used to work.

It is running 2 Gb of RAM and an NVIDIA GeForce GT 240 card

http://www.nvidia.com/object/product_geforce_gt_240_us.html

The processor is a Pentium D and allegedly runs at 3.39 GHz

I was looking at going with the suggestion of putting in some more RAM and running Windows 10 on it, but according to the spec page:

http://h20564.www2.hp.com/hpsc/doc/public/display?docId=emr_na-c00374051

The maximum memory is 4 Gb of DDR2 Synch DRAM PC2-5300 (667 MHz) non-ECC memory

Although the webpage at Clarion suggests:

Quote:
When using PC2-5300 parts the maximum memory is 2GB. When using PC2-4200 the maximum is 4GB.


http://www.crucial.com/usa/en/scanview/096F060A31D926C3

I don't know if this would be a problem - any thoughts? I did a quick browse on their website and it doesn't look like they stock PC2-4200 memory. The searches I've done on that seem to bring up laptop memory, which doesn't seem right.

This looks like it might be what I'm looking for:
https://www.oempcworld.com/OEMPCworld-com/1_0G-PC2-4200E.html

I've also sent an email to Crucial asking about this.

From the Windows 10 specs, a 32 bit OS calls for minimum 2Gb whereas a 64 bit calls for 4Gb min.

I suppose I could run the 32 bit OS with the max 4Gb of RAM or would 64 bit be better?

The computer spec page also says this ships with a 365 W power supply. I'm sure the cheapest available NVIDIA card would run rings around the GT 240, but would it burden the power supply?

The NVIDIA selection tool seems to suggest these two models:

GTX 750 Ti

GTX 950 - which has been suggested above.

As always - all advice is appreciated.



That's some dam old stuff. Just about 5 years younger than me.... Same sort of age as the game itself

As someone else said though anything semi-modern would circle that.

However I also think your rig proves a point, Only now is it getting obsolete for EvE and only because they are ending XP support.

If you are willing to build your own PC then have a look around and build up a list, I'm sure some people here are more than willing to give assistance, I can help a bit but not to much as I'm UK so prices will be different.

If your not keen on building your own (And I wasn't on my first then Ebay or Amazon would be a decent place to look (I'd probably go for the latter), Both have some pretty decent pre-built rigs on there that would be your price range and would easily run EvE.
John E'Texan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2016-06-10 18:38:44 UTC
Well, I'm convinced that a new rig is the way to go. Will start with a current low-ish end graphics card with an eye towards upgrading when the next round of cards come out.
Demolishar
United Aggression
#30 - 2016-06-10 18:42:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Demolishar
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Eli Apol
Definitely a nullsec alt
#31 - 2016-06-11 07:55:17 UTC
I always find http://www.logicalincrements.com is a great help when trying to figure out where to spend my shekels.

but what would I know, I'm just a salvager
Geronimo McVain
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2016-06-11 08:49:45 UTC
Celise Katelo wrote:

EVE online has amazing graphics when you have a semi decent system. I truly think its worth spending a little bit more.
Really? I just can't see it behind all that windows.Twisted Sorry for the joke but Eve is Exel in space and the nice grafics are just background for all the windows. For actual gaming it wouldn't matter if the screen would be just black.
So High-power GPU are wasted on Eve. Most of the time you are staring at the overview or the D-Scan, market or whatsoever.

I like the grafics of Eve but it has no relevance for playing.
Aaron
Eternal Frontier
#33 - 2016-06-11 15:47:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Aaron
Hi,

Have a look at investing more money in a good case. I have a Coolermaster Preatorian, yes I know its old, it did extend the life of my previous PC by a few years. If you're only looking to spend $42 dollars on a case then expect the pc components to be heat damaged after 2 or 3 years . So you may find yourself spending another $160 on a GPU in 2 or 3 years or sooner.

My advice is to spend $200 to $300 on an aluminium case and keep it for the rest of your life, you can swap out the components every 5 or 6 years instead of every 2 to 3 years. A good aluminium case is like a massive heat sink.

Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie
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