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Where are the Rokhs, Maelsorms, Megathrons, Abaddons fleets ?
In history, and without any change they will stay there.

Currently there is no point of using T1 battleships, or 'navy' versions. Escalation rates made pirate ships so cheap that there is no reason to use something else.
Who will use worst basic hulls when just for additional 150mil they can have a machariel, nightmare or rattlesnake that will have more EHP, and do much more DPS.

We are losing a lot of variety in game, without any real gain.
If every one fly pirate battleship, where is the fun in doing this?
I want Rokh fleet back i want maelstroms to be the thing again.

The fastest solution for this is to cut drop rates on the battleship BPC, to 10-15% of current level.
Stocked BPC will be burned out and new players will see someday again rusty wings of the maelstroms.

Can some CSM member support this and bring it to attention of CCP?

If you support this, please post here to keep this topic visible.

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This is a great idea, there seems to be way too many Faction ships these days

They are used/lost in PvE and involuntary PvP. Not in fleets.

Never forget.

On some level, I agree with you. Conceptually, variety is good.

On the other, you have to ask yourself, would non-pirate BS even have a place in the game? Occasionally people will get critical mass of Maelstroms, and that's a semi-viable T1 BS fleet, but, I am not sure many other non-pirate BS fleets are actually viable in and of themselves these days. Part of what makes Pirate BS fleets good now is they are at a pretty good spot in performance and ability to be sourced, where many of the T1 fleets would just be lackluster. Even if you manipulated pirate BS to be out of the price range or harder to source, that wouldn't necessarily, by itself, push the others into use.

Some will. It's not always about cost.

Arty maels can still volley effectively. However, not every pirate ship has a T1 analog that can work, or substitute for the same role. Megathrons will never come close to being Fed Navy Megathrons, which are a doctrine alliances will field, for example, despite a lack of their price being drastically lowered, because of how much the navy variant overshadows the T1 variant - you can do things with navy megas that would be impossible with t1 megas, tactics that are impractical with the T1 variant are enabled by the navy variant.

Same goes for Navy Apocalypses when that was in style - they just had so much more to offer than the t1 variant that it pushed them into being a good fleet concept.

+1 op

When you compare fitted T1 Battleship and Faction version - there is no real reason to use T1 when Pirate will be always better.
Classic battleship can also fitted to survive bombers - but they are just so much worst than Pirate battleships.

Have you checked contracts or market in jita?
Most of the trade is done outside of the market and you can easily get 200 bpc every week from a bigger renter corporation.
Supply is not the problem, people are holding BPC to sell them in bulk when bigger whelp happens, without this prices will crash.

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