EVE General Discussion

Your idea of pvp is only to shoot at targets that can't shoot back and if they can, only with overwhelming force. High sec gankers are cowards.

No, it's not. Every peace of ore has a real value as someone spent his RL time to suck it form an astroid. And spent his time on honing the skills required to do so while you focused on fighting. So if you hunt freighters for money you are stealing like in RL.

Please note that I don't include fighting or ganking in low or Null. If you take the risk it's your own choice to risk you goods and ships. It's really telling, that these activities are not in low or Null where everyone who wants to can shoot the offenders at leisure.
I'm no carebear but shooting freighters for profit is IMHO cowardice^10. You know that your target can't shoot back and you don't need to risk anything. The ships for ganking pose no real loss. So in the end you are stealing without risk and are calling everyone who labels you robber a carebear. THEY have the balls to risk a 1,5B Isk freighter + cargo with no guns while you risk 20M ISK and whine that life is hard?

Ganking is part of EVE but stop glorifying or making lame excuses that nobody gets hurt! Every single ISK has a RL value payed in RL money or RL time.

EULA 10b. (we all agreed to this):

You have no interest in the value of your time spent playing the Game, for example, by the building up of the experience level of your character and the items your character accumulates during your time playing the Game.

It's just a game and if you truly think you are building value (aside from adding value to the product for CCP) through a "time is money" argument, then it's really time to step away from the computer. If you want to build value for yourself, go do it IRL. The real cowardice is escaping through a video game and substituting entertainment as success. It's all just fiction and means absolutely nothing from a value perspective outside entertainment value.

Calling people cowards for playing a video game while also playing that same game is the typical rubbish that we've come to expect from carebears. Your mining has no more or less value than a gankers ganking. It's all just for fun (and hopefully not put above RL priorities for success).

No, I'm saying calling anyone a coward because of how they play a game in which items have no value (as we all agreed) is just stupid.

So what do I call people who risk nothing?well if they are playing, then they are just Eve players. No one is risking anything in this game. It isn't real.

Nothing that gets blown up causes any loss to anyone. It's all just fiction. Make believe. Escapism. No animals actually get hurt, not even the Carebears.

No one is any better or any worse in this game because they choose to play one way or another.

This i think is going over your head perhaps.

What our characters do in game and how they are able to do it defines the extent of the fiction. Within that, they need ISK.

They are not the same thing as us, the players. We, the players, derive nothing of value outside our own entertainment. Ships, ISK, assets acquired in game (all of which belong to CCP) derive no value for us, only for our fictional, futuristic space people.

If you think anything in this game equates to "robbing other players" then you perhaps need to get a bit more perspective on what is real and what isn't.

Nothing we do as players is real. No one player's choice is any better or worse in how they play their characters. As long as those choices are within the rules, all choices are equal, whether that's blowing stuff up or building stuff, etc. It's all just part of the game.

Hence, the calling of people cowards is more a reflection that you maybe can't separate real from fiction enough.

As to my profession, what is it?

Even if the loot fairy had it in for us ("us" used loosely, I enable more than I directly participate), it should make little difference.

Content creation for the sake of creating content.

Yeah. People get way too attached to database entries on a server in the UK and to the textures that they are represented through on their screen.

No, I wouldn't submit a ticket if I lost everything. I could care less. Everything can be acquired again as it all just spawns at appropriate times. You seem way too attached to the fiction, thinking you are somehow achieving something of value. Outside your entertainment, you aren't.

As to me, I don't gank. Not my play style in the slightest. I'm not going to go judge people who do though, based on some belief that I'm somehow attached to in game assets. They mean nothing.

The choice of other players to play how they want is perfectly valid, just as I expect my choice in how to play is valid. I can hardly think my playstyle is somehow holier than thou. As long as everyone is playing within the rules, then the playstyle of gankers is just as valid as that of miners. Neither is a coward for choosing to play how they do.

People who choose not to shoot in highsec certainly aren't "weak, stupid and helpless" that you claimed earlier. What they do is no less valid either and perfectly valid for them to choose.

That interaction happens is at the heart of this game and players aren't just because they interact one way, any more than they are another way.

All the rest of your views I have no issue with, just the going and calling other players cowards because you are overly attached to the items that form your entertainment. That's an issue with your perspective, not the gankers.

English sux, what can I say. We have the weirdest sayings that mean the opposite of their literal meaning.

The sooner Esperanto takes over, the better.....

Yes, I understood the gentle jibe. All good. Where I come from we say it with could, but it means the same.

There's probably an implied 'Like' in there, as in "Like, I could care less", but rarely used.