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Nanako Chosokabe
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2016-06-07 14:52:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Nanako Chosokabe
Stardate: 7.6.2016.118
Region: Essence, Villore (0.5)
Entry: Anticlimactic

Hummm...After reading combat logs and talking to a few captains, I was expecting level II security missions to be a tough slog in a T1 Frigate but nothing could be further from the truth. I read that destroyers or even cruisers were recommended for these missions but I've barely even had to turn on my armor repair module! No idea what those other captains were doing as this is just as easy as level I missions were in the Velator.

Well Yesterday marked my first week in space and it's been pretty successful I think. I went from a net worth of about 15K ISK to one of apx 28M Isk or a 1866 times increase, and that's taking into account the close to 5M ISK spent on skillbooks alone. I have a great little frigate and dad's ship is still docked, no worse for wear. A lot of the worth mind you is in loot sitting in my hanger which I need to deal with soon as the piles are getting a bit unmanageable.

Think I might do some research into the local LowSec systems nearby as not only can the HMCS Beacon Hill take on tougher opponents, she can also be earning me more too. Wish me luck!
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#42 - 2016-06-07 15:06:04 UTC
I'm not going to lie. L2 missions are, for the most part, going to be vary simple in a Tristan due to the tactics it employs. I would advise caution when looking to go into lowsec though. It's a completely different set of rules. I'd look for a corp or at least a mentor to show you the ropes. Don't do what I did and spend the first year of your career trying to teach yourself how to fly.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Sinjin Mokk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#43 - 2016-06-07 15:11:57 UTC
Good day Captain Chosokabe,

I'm glad to hear of your recent successes.

However, I feel I should extend to you a warning regarding your intention to explore your local LoSec systems. As you've indicated, fighting against baseline forces isn't quite the challenge. Fighting against another Capsuleer is another matter entirely.

I recommend caution. Your ship may need different and more advanced components and weapons if you are to stand a chance. I'd suggest asking around for fitting ideas. I can make a few recommendations.

Your tactics will also have to be different. And this I cannot stress enough. Please feel free to contact me anytime for advice.

Fly safe!

"Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."

Nanako Chosokabe
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2016-06-07 23:15:49 UTC
Thank-you captains Mokk and Osyn,

I took a look at some ship and module manuals and currently see two issues with my Tristan and LowSec


  1. To do it half-ass'ed you need a prototype cloak (PC) which isn't a problem to fit if I remove the Scavenger or a gun (as really, drones do 90% of the work anyways). But a PC adds 200% to the worth of current ship and while not a problem if survivability it not an issue....
  2. ....currently I can't fit a microwarpdrive. An afterburner is I'll I could manage which really doesn't do much. Trippe the cost of the ship with next to no benefit out of gates.


So unless I can safely do the MWD+Cloak maneuver, there is no point heading to LowSec at the moment. The risk/reward is too low.

Thanks for cautioning me to to take a closer look...
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#45 - 2016-06-07 23:29:24 UTC
Your using a cloak on a Tristan? Don't know what they told you but I wouldn't recommend it. For one it costs as much as two base tristan hulls (1 mil right? Tristan being like 450,000). With the right skills you should be able to do relatively OK out running gate camps. The cloak/mwd thing I've only really seen done with bigger ships. Industrials, cruisers, battleships ect and only for travel fits. On a different note can a Tristan even fit one with a mwd? I can't recall really ever seeing non exploration related frigates (such as a probe, or t2 variants) with one specifically for that trick.
Nanako Chosokabe
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2016-06-08 00:06:25 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
Your using a cloak on a Tristan? Don't know what they told you but I wouldn't recommend it. For one it costs as much as two base tristan hulls (1 mil right? Tristan being like 450,000). With the right skills you should be able to do relatively OK out running gate camps. The cloak/mwd thing I've only really seen done with bigger ships. Industrials, cruisers, battleships ect and only for travel fits. On a different note can a Tristan even fit one with a mwd? I can't recall really ever seeing non exploration related frigates (such as a probe, or t2 variants) with one specifically for that trick.



Not currently using a cloak...I was just checking fits. Yes, the price doesn't warrant its use unless that investment can be protected...which I'm doubting. So a MWD (yes they can take one) is the way to go but my skills are too low.

I believe anything can use the MWD+Cload trick but some benefit more than others. I'm guessing a slow-to-align frigate is an option as slots are limited to help fix that issue.

But just a MWD is probably enough as getting up to +2300 m/s is a pretty good defense if they don't get web on you.

The cloak is nice to have just to sit and watch (I imagine) for opportunities.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#47 - 2016-06-08 00:16:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Deitra Vess
One big downside to it is unless it's covert (a bomber, recon, black ops, ect) is targeting delay. Watching it can do, catching is a little different of a story. I was more refering to can you fit one and a tank or short point or long point. They all can fit one yes but can they successfully function in any role if you actually tried to (highly doubtful)? By no means would I recommend it.
Karina Ivanovich
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#48 - 2016-06-08 00:20:21 UTC
Miss Chosokabe.

I would suggest that you train up some skills as a pilot before attempting to roam around Low-Sec space. The navies of the four great empires rarely patrol these systems, only keeping token forces stationed at gates. These systems are rife with pirates and drug runners from all over the explored galaxy. Any other pilot you meet in Low-Sec will want to kill you. And I really mean anybody. I would love to give you some advice (you may email me or contact me when I am in my ship) but if I found you roaming around Low-Sec I would assume you want a fight, other pilots are the same way.

My advice to you, if you decide to not head my previous advice, would be to join a capsuleer alliance. Go all out and head to one of the Nullsec alliances that are new-pilot friendly. Pandemic Horde, Brave Newbies, and Karma Fleet to name but a few. My recommendation for which corp to join should be obvious but I won't turn this into a recruitment thread.

All that said and done I wish you the best in space. And I hope you fly well.

Some call me insane. If the universe is sane, then I embrace that label.

Nanako Chosokabe
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2016-06-08 14:00:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Nanako Chosokabe
Stardate: 8.6.2016.118
Region: Essence, Oursulaert (0.9)
Entry: Mission Runner

Hi there folks,

Yesterday was mostly a research day as I was looking into the best way into LowSec and combat. Seems that I'm not quite there yet in skills and equipment to make it "safely" in low security space. The general consensus is that joining a corporation is the way to go but that joining the Faction Wars is also another valid way to go. Getting lots of great advice from friendly captains...

Level II security missions, as mentioned before, are pretty easy in the Tristan but the tactics of kiting destroyers and cruisers can be time consuming. I think today I'll look into destroyers and what they can offer in the hopes of speeding-up level II missions. Shopping around is always fun!

Today's net worth calculator is showing just a bit over 30M ISK...
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#50 - 2016-06-08 14:14:14 UTC
Nanako Chosokabe wrote:
Stardate: 5.6.2016.118
Region: Essence, Oursulaert (0.9)
Entry: Mission Runner

Hi there folks,

Yesterday was mostly a research day as I was looking into the best way into LowSec and combat. Seems that I'm not quite there yet in skills and equipment to make it "safely" in low security space. The general consensus is that joining a corporation is the way to go but that joining the Faction Wars is also another valid way to go. Getting lots of great advice from friendly captains...

Level II security missions, as mentioned before, are pretty easy in the Tristan but the tactics of kiting destroyers and cruisers can be time consuming. I think today I'll look into destroyers and what they can offer in the hopes of speeding-up level II missions. Shopping around is always fun!

Today's net worth calculator is showing just a bit over 30M ISK...

If your shipping up into dessies, the Algose would be your next step. Also, a Nano kite Tristan is a beast in lowsec....

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#51 - 2016-06-08 14:55:20 UTC
I would also reccomend not moving past dessies until you have trained your core skills. Cruisers can get a bit expensive, so you don't want to half ass it with them.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Nanako Chosokabe
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2016-06-09 15:40:13 UTC
Stardate: 9.6.2016.118
Region: Essence, Oursulaert (0.9)
Entry: Into the Deep-end
Wow...What a 24hr cycle.

So I really was curious about joining the Faction War(FW) and knew that unless I could at the very least survive LowSec(LS) then there would be no point at the moment. So I jumped into Vifrevaert and looked around for some rats. I end-up killing two destroyers and a cruiser which really were pretty easy and the bounty much nicer.

After that successful trip, later in the day I decided to sign-up and defend the Gallente Empire. I spend a fair bit of time "hunting" in HighSec which was mostly pointless as I'm not a tackler nor was I ever in any position to actually attack anyone even if they happened by.

So back into LS and my first attempt at plexing which was a Novice complex. That went well and it was really quiet in the sector so I decided to jump into another Novice complex. Also no problem. It was getting late so I finished the night off joining two other comrades capturing a Medium complex and then headed home. One funny thing was that one of my comrades in arms mentioned that NPC ships in friendly complexes were not hostile even though they show as red on the overview....I felt bad as I had slaughtered a few (8?) already...I promised to send flowers.

Now for the interesting bit.

I'm writing you guys from the clone lab lobby. Don't worry, I'm fine but I'm sad to say that the HMCS Beacon Hill is no more. Seems that my pre-coffee-morning-enthusiasm clouded my judgment and zipped out to collect the daily bounty bonus on pirates without checking to see if the sector was clear. Needless to say that it wasn't and while I can't say exactly what happened, an enemy Svipul T3 Tactical Destroyer either warped in on me or was cloaked nearby. Either way, all it took was two broadsides and the next thing I knew was that I was coming out of the clone tank. Lesson learned. 100% no chance but also 100% my fault. Not much I could do against a ship probably 90x the value of my little frigate.

Oh but before all that I also cashed in some Loyalty Points(LP) and gathered the bits needed to buy, and then put-up for sale, a Navy Comet. So while there has been news in the last 24hrs, most was great plus my estimated net worth is now pushing 67M ISK. That's a little inflated as what's in my inventory will never be sold at the suggested prices but close enough.

So, hopefully another good day today.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#53 - 2016-06-09 15:55:45 UTC
Oooo. Comet.... good little ship. Sad when they explode though. Sorry to hear about your ship exploding. D-scan. Always.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Nanako Chosokabe
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#54 - 2016-06-09 16:13:58 UTC
Well considering that I didn't even look to see who was in the system, D-Scan is a moot point really...Roll

I wont do that again...(I hope)

Now off to get another Tristan built.
Neph
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#55 - 2016-06-09 16:37:20 UTC
Not exactly like you're defending the Federation, more like expanding its borders. I suppose it'd be rather fruitless to try and convince you to come fight for the Caldari against the Gallente aggressors?

No?

Please?

You're already killing Gallente crew, so...

~ Gariushi YC110 // Midular YC115 // Yanala YC115 ~

"Orte Jaitovalte sitasuyti ne obuetsa useuut ishu. Ketsiak ishiulyn." -Yakiya Tovil-Toba-taisoka

Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#56 - 2016-06-09 20:03:04 UTC
Neph wrote:
Not exactly like you're defending the Federation, more like expanding its borders. I suppose it'd be rather fruitless to try and convince you to come fight for the Caldari against the Gallente aggressors?

No?

Please?

You're already killing Gallente crew, so...

No. Nnnnno. Bad Neph. Bad. She needs to join minmatar FW. In my corp.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#57 - 2016-06-09 20:12:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Deitra Vess
While I agree with Claudia, I'd rather not push for recruiting from our allies. If they wish to come on their own accord they are more than welcome and I think we all would be grateful to have any of them aboard. In other words, I'm not asking you to, but if your interested we won't say no.

Lol
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#58 - 2016-06-09 22:08:54 UTC
Seeing as how I am Gallente myself, I have no such qualms about recruiting from that side of the fence. Now, get an application into us lady.Big smile

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Kolodi Ramal
Sanxing Yi
#59 - 2016-06-09 22:39:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Kolodi Ramal
Nanako Chosokabe wrote:
One funny thing was that one of my comrades in arms mentioned that NPC ships in friendly complexes were not hostile even though they show as red on the overview....I felt bad as I had slaughtered a few (8?) already...I promised to send flowers.

How about instead of stupid flowers you split a chunk of your beloved ISK between the families of the Federation citizens you murdered?
Rook Moray
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#60 - 2016-06-09 22:49:43 UTC
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Seeing as how I am Gallente myself, I have no such qualms about recruiting from that side of the fence. Now, get an application into us lady.Big smile



Hey, if it's a "recruit her 'casue she's a Gallente" thing, then she should totally #JoinHorde.

Pirate

“When you want to know how things really work, study them when they're coming apart.” -Guristas Proverb.