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Allow Carriers and Capital Indy ships to dock in medium WH Citadels

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helana Tsero
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#21 - 2016-05-31 23:48:07 UTC  |  Edited by: helana Tsero
At first I thought this was a nice nerf to the farmholes.. with the astrahus replacing all those true sansha POS... eg now the farmholes would need a character per cap + extra characters for rolling/scouting etc. (and maybe they might need to recruit and become an actual corp instead of a single guy with 4 alts)

but then I realized all the astrahus restriction is going to do.. is encourage the farmer to join the big blocs.

Because to keep the same minimal character setup they enjoy today.. the farmholes will need a fortizar.. and their best bet will be to join a large alliance and do their farming under a large alliance safety umbrella. Because attackers are not going to blowup a farmhole if they know a 50 man blob is going to show up to defend it... and then knock on their own door a few weeks later.

Thumbs up CCP ! Your successfully turning wormhole space into SOV. Roll

"...ppl need to get out of caves and they will see something new.... thats where eve is placed... not in cave."  | zoonr-Korsairs |

Meanwhile Citadel release issues: "tried to bug report this and the bug report is bugged as well" | Rafeau |

Hatshepsut IV
Un.Reasonable
#22 - 2016-06-01 01:35:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Hatshepsut IV
helana Tsero wrote:
...but then I realized all the astrahus restriction is going to do.. is encourage the farmer to join the big blocs....Thumbs up CCP ! Your successfully turning wormhole space into SOV....



HOLY ****, like wtf 11ty pwn with a doomsday are you full of it. Have you like ever interacted with a SINGLE actual wormhole corp?

Lets be real here, just to clarify. Putting capitals into a medium citadel will not keep them safe. Its trivial to RF and bother a medium citadel. Knowing there can be potential capital loot piñatas inside them will just entice scary worm people to poke the nest.

Second. Those bear holes your so worried about, gonna let you in on a secret. THEY ARE ALREADY FREAKING PART OF A GROUP. Either overtly or on the side.

I'm just gonna make an assumption, your posting from an NPC alt....

You either are in something like freaking wingspan or just have plain never been in a wormhole corp. Know the last thing wormholers give a **** about? Defending some helpless/hapless/clueless bears farmhole.

No self respecting wormhole corp is gonna just take in a bunch of worthless bears to herd/protect from pvp cause they are too poor to throw up a fortizar.

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helana Tsero
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#23 - 2016-06-01 06:35:16 UTC  |  Edited by: helana Tsero
Hatshepsut IV wrote:
helana Tsero wrote:
...but then I realized all the astrahus restriction is going to do.. is encourage the farmer to join the big blocs....Thumbs up CCP ! Your successfully turning wormhole space into SOV....



HOLY ****, like wtf 11ty pwn with a doomsday are you full of it. Have you like ever interacted with a SINGLE actual wormhole corp?

Lets be real here, just to clarify. Putting capitals into a medium citadel will not keep them safe. Its trivial to RF and bother a medium citadel. Knowing there can be potential capital loot piñatas inside them will just entice scary worm people to poke the nest.

Second. Those bear holes your so worried about, gonna let you in on a secret. THEY ARE ALREADY FREAKING PART OF A GROUP. Either overtly or on the side.

I'm just gonna make an assumption, your posting from an NPC alt....

You either are in something like freaking wingspan or just have plain never been in a wormhole corp. Know the last thing wormholers give a **** about? Defending some helpless/hapless/clueless bears farmhole.

No self respecting wormhole corp is gonna just take in a bunch of worthless bears to herd/protect from pvp cause they are too poor to throw up a fortizar.


Calm down man lol.. don't do yourself an injury. Big smile

Lets say your a guy who wants to farm in c5 / c6 space. You can set up by yourself and hope no one comes in and kicks the door down. Or you could put a pvp toon in one of the major alliances and then setup your farm hole under their protection umbrella.

The smart ones already do...

Now with POS's going away the slower ones are either going to have to pony up for a fortizar and defend it themselves which they wont be able to do..or get more toons cause they cant put their caps in the FF while they roll with BS etc or join a alliance and have protection for their farm hole fortizar for the cost of one extra pvp toon.

Right now if a independent farmer gets invaded he logs off caps, throws everything he can carry into a orca with a spare pos in the cargo and then logs off until the invader bores himself to death shooting a empty pos. Then when they leave he puts another POS up and starts farming again. They not going to do that if they have to lose a 26 billion fortizar each time.

As for your claim that alliances wont defend the farmholes. They not going to rush to defend if a PVE cap or two gets ganked but if someone is taking down their members farmholes then they will do something about it. This happened just recently when HK invaded duralex cause they were attacking HK members farms. (and there is nothing wrong with that.. they are defending their isk making ability upon which their pvp and other stuff is built.)

"...ppl need to get out of caves and they will see something new.... thats where eve is placed... not in cave."  | zoonr-Korsairs |

Meanwhile Citadel release issues: "tried to bug report this and the bug report is bugged as well" | Rafeau |

Hatshepsut IV
Un.Reasonable
#24 - 2016-06-01 07:12:35 UTC
helana Tsero wrote:

Now with POS's going away the slower ones are either going to have to pony up for a fortizar and defend it themselves which they wont be able to do..or get more toons cause they cant put their caps in the FF while they roll with BS etc (more toons cuts into isk making) or join a alliance and have protection for their farm hole fortizar for the cost of one extra pvp toon.

Right now if a independent farmer gets invaded he logs off caps, throws everything he can carry into a orca with a spare pos in the cargo and then logs off until the invader goes. Then when they leave he puts another POS up and starts farming again. They not going to do that if they have to lose a 26 billion fortizar each time.


I'm failing to see where ANY of that is a bad thing.

Everything your saying boils down to the fact you want your farm hole to be safe/risk free but you don't or won't spend the time/isk/effort to do so yourself so your asking CCP to automagically let you have your cake and eat it.


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As for your claim that alliances wont defend the farmholes


You not getting the point, you seem to think that there will be some mass exodus of bears into pvp corps to get protection............

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helana Tsero
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#25 - 2016-06-01 07:24:24 UTC  |  Edited by: helana Tsero
Hatshepsut IV wrote:

You not getting the point, you seem to think that there will be some mass exodus of bears into pvp corps to get protection............


Some will. Some will also leave wormhole space to do incursions etc. I don't think many will stick around as small independent farm corps in higher class space.

Im a fan of small - medium size corps in wormholes. Ive got nothing against bigger corps who build a empire.. the mechanics allow it .. so why not.. But I just think wormholes are healthier when there are smaller groups rather than large sov like blocs.

"...ppl need to get out of caves and they will see something new.... thats where eve is placed... not in cave."  | zoonr-Korsairs |

Meanwhile Citadel release issues: "tried to bug report this and the bug report is bugged as well" | Rafeau |

Iowa Banshee
Fenrir Vangard
#26 - 2016-06-01 17:27:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Iowa Banshee
This is not asking for something that can't be done already - I'm not saying I have a Titan and a player that can't do anything other that sit in it so allow me to dock and while you're at it make sure I cannot loose it when the place gets blown up.

I'm saying don't take away an existing mechanic and then tell me if you want to continue to do this then buy something 20x the cost especially since a medium Citadel was supposed to be the thing to buy to take over this game mechanic for solo players & small groups.

People here are not saying we don't want this because it affects them, they are saying we want CCP to take something away from other players because they don't play the game like us
- that' s the "p iss on the fire because our smoores are done" attitude of a bigot.
Iowa Banshee
Fenrir Vangard
#27 - 2016-06-01 18:11:52 UTC
helana Tsero wrote:
At first I thought this was a nice nerf to the farmholes.. with the astrahus replacing all those true sansha POS... eg now the farmholes would need a character per cap + extra characters for rolling/scouting etc. (and maybe they might need to recruit and become an actual corp instead of a single guy with 4 alts)

but then I realized all the astrahus restriction is going to do.. is encourage the farmer to join the big blocs.

Because to keep the same minimal character setup they enjoy today.. the farmholes will need a fortizar.. and their best bet will be to join a large alliance and do their farming under a large alliance safety umbrella. Because attackers are not going to blowup a farmhole if they know a 50 man blob is going to show up to defend it... and then knock on their own door a few weeks later.

Thumbs up CCP ! Your successfully turning wormhole space into SOV. Roll


It's not going to force our small group into joining a big bloc :- The character that used to do pi, pvp, pve, rolling wormholes and the hauling of goods to market etc will sit in a single ship unused for most of the time.

Together two unskilled alts will make less ISK because why risk a Rorqual to jump in an Epithal to do a pi run. Switching to a combat ship to fight visitors will be a non-started so little or no PVP.
Without the skills of the main the ALTS having a few million sp each will only be able to do a fraction of what the main could and our online activity will drop significantly

- EVE will become less fun and more of a chore
Andrew Jester
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#28 - 2016-06-01 18:42:15 UTC
Hatshepsut IV wrote:
Iowa Banshee wrote:
"Explicitly" is spelt with an "i" and the text editor has a spell checker



So you concede the point?

you fuggin' dunked him dw

If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy

Bleedingthrough
#29 - 2016-06-03 14:49:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Bleedingthrough
I want something to store capital ships that does not cost as much as a super. Shocked
I think a fuel requiring service module for small citadels that can store a limited amount of capitals would be a valid solution.
Hatshepsut IV
Un.Reasonable
#30 - 2016-06-03 21:30:27 UTC
So train a sitter character.

Loggoff.

Problem solved.

Stop looking for a ******* handout to fix your made up problems.

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Bleedingthrough
#31 - 2016-06-04 20:21:11 UTC
Made up?!
A sitter chars for each Dread and FAX? This is so stupid, I doubt you though a second about it. Maybe suggest to share accounts next.

Hatshepsut IV
Un.Reasonable
#32 - 2016-06-05 02:56:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Hatshepsut IV
In the age of daily free sp and purchasable sp I challenge you to give me one real reason why making a sitter is beyond your reach.

Come on. I ******* dare you. Put your logic where your mouth is, if you. An afford a cap you can afford a sitter.

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Nox52
Pterygopalatine
#33 - 2016-06-05 03:32:54 UTC
Hatshepsut IV wrote:
In the age of daily free sp and purchasable sp I challenge you to give me one real reason why making a sitter is beyond your reach.

Come on. I ******* dare you. Put your logic where your mouth is, if you. An afford a cap you can afford a sitter.


because that functionality was already present in the POS system and a large is a much higher cost of entry.

Doesn't mean you can't do it but just because you can do it doesn't mean that should be the only option.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#34 - 2016-06-05 04:46:38 UTC
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Hatshepsut IV
Un.Reasonable
#35 - 2016-06-05 06:10:26 UTC
Nox52 wrote:
[quote=Hatshepsut IV]

Doesn't mean you can't do it but just because you can do it doesn't mean that should be the only option.


You don't want other options, you want YOUR, because your a special ******* snowflake and don't want to adapt.

POS are going away, get used to it and stop looking for CCP to handhold you cause 'think of the small/poors/reasons'

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Nox52
Pterygopalatine
#36 - 2016-06-05 07:12:35 UTC
Hatshepsut IV wrote:
Nox52 wrote:
[quote=Hatshepsut IV]

Doesn't mean you can't do it but just because you can do it doesn't mean that should be the only option.


You don't want other options, you want YOUR, because your a special ******* snowflake and don't want to adapt.

POS are going away, get used to it and stop looking for CCP to handhold you cause 'think of the small/poors/reasons'


Oh I'd love other options, I don't think that dropping twenty billion on a fortizar (unfitted) for a small corporation is a viable option and neither is investing into holding alts for carriers/faxes/dreads.

Do you not see that the change that is allowing supers/titans to not necessarily have to have holding alts in k space is pushing small corps into just the same issues and may be just a tiny bit pants on head ********?
Wander Prian
Nosferatu Security Foundation
#37 - 2016-06-05 08:05:52 UTC
Nox52 wrote:
Hatshepsut IV wrote:
Nox52 wrote:
[quote=Hatshepsut IV]

Doesn't mean you can't do it but just because you can do it doesn't mean that should be the only option.


You don't want other options, you want YOUR, because your a special ******* snowflake and don't want to adapt.

POS are going away, get used to it and stop looking for CCP to handhold you cause 'think of the small/poors/reasons'


Oh I'd love other options, I don't think that dropping twenty billion on a fortizar (unfitted) for a small corporation is a viable option and neither is investing into holding alts for carriers/faxes/dreads.

Do you not see that the change that is allowing supers/titans to not necessarily have to have holding alts in k space is pushing small corps into just the same issues and may be just a tiny bit pants on head ********?


Dropping 20 billion to protect the 10-15 billion you have in capitals is too much? Ookay....

Wormholer for life.

Nox52
Pterygopalatine
#38 - 2016-06-05 08:44:14 UTC
Wander Prian wrote:
Nox52 wrote:
Hatshepsut IV wrote:
Nox52 wrote:
[quote=Hatshepsut IV]

Doesn't mean you can't do it but just because you can do it doesn't mean that should be the only option.


You don't want other options, you want YOUR, because your a special ******* snowflake and don't want to adapt.

POS are going away, get used to it and stop looking for CCP to handhold you cause 'think of the small/poors/reasons'


Oh I'd love other options, I don't think that dropping twenty billion on a fortizar (unfitted) for a small corporation is a viable option and neither is investing into holding alts for carriers/faxes/dreads.

Do you not see that the change that is allowing supers/titans to not necessarily have to have holding alts in k space is pushing small corps into just the same issues and may be just a tiny bit pants on head ********?


Dropping 20 billion to protect the 10-15 billion you have in capitals is too much? Ookay....



And going from a fully fitted functioning auto attacking pos for 2 bil give or take to 20 bil unfitted citadel that is dumber than my old dead dog for similar functionality is something I should be enthusiastic about?
Wander Prian
Nosferatu Security Foundation
#39 - 2016-06-05 10:00:27 UTC
For those 20 billion, you get a station that is much more defendable than the POS ever was, that is invulnerable for 90℅ of the time at your chosen times, has better asset security against theft, gives you a market and the ability to switch clones without a timer, unlimited storage space...

Eve has always been a game where you need to adapt to the changes and this is no different. Adapt or die

Wormholer for life.

Nox52
Pterygopalatine
#40 - 2016-06-05 10:53:34 UTC
Wander Prian wrote:
For those 20 billion, you get a station that is much more defendable than the POS ever was, that is invulnerable for 90℅ of the time at your chosen times, has better asset security against theft, gives you a market and the ability to switch clones without a timer, unlimited storage space...

Eve has always been a game where you need to adapt to the changes and this is no different. Adapt or die



I'm not sold on the more defendable than a pos part when it comes to subcaps from what I've been seeing, I'll give you most of the other points tho. Regardless of that I don't think it's unreasonable to want an option that does not make you choose between sitter alts, space coffins or 20 bil+ come **** with me targets in my wormhole.


What's wrong with caps docking in medium? Hell they are easier to push over than larges even. Put a limit on teh max number docked at once for all I care.