EVE General Discussion

Wow. It's like a salt quarry in here.

The drop percentage is less than 10% now, compared with 2 months ago, wich was, as i said, 50%, just as it was an year or 2 ago. I NEVER SAID the drop rate has changed, i'm here to try to understand, since i've noticed it MAY have changed based on my experience and some reports from others gankers. The basic math is done, now can you tell me why i would be trolling? And ofc i won't post with my main, why would i? It would be so amateur...

Once again, i'm not saying it has changed, i'm here to get others players opinions, not comments from haters.


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If you are not a ganker, a CCP member, or you don't understand sh1t about the topic, try to stay out of it please.

Why care about the isk value? A stack of 100 PLEX has the same drop percentage as a stack of 1 trit. Going just by isk, we don't know the ammount of stacks or how many dropped.

And I know fry own manufacturing and shop fitting experiences, the value of a cargo is not evenly distributed among all stacks. There are often many stacks that are worth far less than the 1 or two stacks of expensive items.

Wait to ruin my illusions vincent.

**** it im making my own one up :
Ok so, in a data center, somewhere in london ,within deep cavernous halls of server hardware and serpentine ethernet cables ,

There is a hampster , with a pair of die, whenever you pop someone, the hampster throws the die at the nearest ccp employee.

What he roles determines partly much you get in a drop, who he hits determines the quality of the drop.

CCP Dev : 100% modules + cargo , no plex
CCP GM : 50% modules , no cargo , no plex
CCP Qa : staff 50% cargo no modules , no plex
Ian the janitor : Plex.

Were it up to me™, I would base the drop on the damage received.

Imagine I had a container. And that container had to be broken to open it.

If I lightly damaged the container only enough to gain access to the inside of it, it could be expected that the contents would be mostly intact.

If I put the container, say the size of a gym bag, and placed it on a crate of TNT, the container will be opened, that is certain, but the contents would probably be beyond use.

Thus it would only make sense that blasting a ship with so much force and so rapidly would destroy the cargo than if you took time to whittle it down slowly.

I think it would be best if gankers refrained from complaining.

I fixed that CCP QA line for ya.....

This reminds me of a thread from a while back where somebody was saying it appeared that their Geckos were getting any wrecking shots. (Wrecking shots are when the to-hit RNG generates a number below 0.01 and the shot then does 3x base damage.) There was a fair bit of back-and-forth discuss, and to satisfy myself I combed through my client logs and counted all Gecko shots and all Gecko wrecking shots - sure enough, 1% of all shots were wrecking shots.

Somebody who is concerned about this should comb through actual kill data and count dropped and not-dropped items stacks. (Ignoring ISK value, as that apparently does not factor in to the drop calculation.) How something "feels" with a small sample size is meaningless. One source of data is CCP Quant's Mar 1 through Apr 4 kill dump. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6428000#post6428000 That's old of course, so perhaps zkill could be a source - IIRC, squizz has some sort of interface that allows for downloading kill data.

luckily you don't get to decide if I stay out of it or not. I am not hating, but you did for example not mention the 10% in your op (Which you btw. still have not mentioned the samplesize of the data that gave 10% and the samplesize of the data that gave 50%). I went through my own data from this week and it seems that around 50% of the items are dropping, but the percentage of the total value dropping is below 10% for around 100 kills in lowsec (gate camping etc.). But I would not conclude too much from that, as I found similar numbers in nov. 2015. So I assume that sometimes you are just unlucky.

While that makes a good degree of sense, I'd like to see that algorithm as the odds would have to change the further it got away from their target % variable. Now, it could be a coding issue, if so, they should be warned in the issues threads, not GD.

I don't really hunt through killmails much, I've looked at enough of them to know it's pretty darned random what drops, but I can't say for certain it's always with in X% of 50%.

Honestly, if you're ganking for the ISK you're ganking for the wrong reasons.