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Allow Carriers and Capital Indy ships to dock in medium WH Citadels

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Iowa Banshee
Fenrir Vangard
#1 - 2016-05-24 18:05:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Iowa Banshee
Look at it as balancing the asset loss / lack of sovereignty.

A true replacement for the SMA.
Eva Ambrosa
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2 - 2016-05-24 21:17:23 UTC
No... just use a large.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2016-05-24 22:16:28 UTC
risk vs reward

why should you pay 20x less for the privilege to dock your capitals

Art of Explosions
Mister Holder
Faceless Men
#4 - 2016-05-24 22:36:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Mister Holder
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
risk vs reward

why should you pay 20x less for the privilege to dock your capitals



Because a POS is 20x less, and allows you to essentially dock it.
Gadher
Hidden Agenda
Deep Space Engineering
#5 - 2016-05-24 22:37:29 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
risk vs reward

why should you pay 20x less for the privilege to dock your capitals




Once they remove pos's I guess it come down to the question of not be able to do what they can today. With store a cap inside a pos sma and the cost difference is quite large between that ability now and invest into a large citadel.
Obil Que
Star Explorers
Solis Tenebris
#6 - 2016-05-25 13:21:28 UTC
Mister Holder wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
risk vs reward

why should you pay 20x less for the privilege to dock your capitals



Because a POS is 20x less, and allows you to essentially dock it.


From CCPs perspective, the POS is imbalanced in regard to cost/benefit.
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Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2016-05-25 13:32:09 UTC
Mister Holder wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
risk vs reward

why should you pay 20x less for the privilege to dock your capitals



Because a POS is 20x less, and allows you to essentially dock it.


There are so many disadvantages to putting a cap in a pos vs a citadel:

1. POS can be bubble wrapped
2. Requires one regular SMA per cap or an X-L which means fitting room reduction
3. POS does not rep your capitals
4. Can't swap clones to capital implants in a POS

Art of Explosions
Iowa Banshee
Fenrir Vangard
#8 - 2016-05-25 14:46:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Iowa Banshee
I get the impression that these ships were originally intended to "moor" alongside the medium but I guess between Spring & Eve-Vegas CCP decided it was too difficult and dropped the idea - but forgot that mooring was to replace this POS feature


Anyway why not let them dock - its not like there is any asset safety in a wormhole so they are just as vulnerable as they were in a SMA

EDIT - Many small corps will struggle to defend a mediums vulnerability window how can they be expected to defend a large just to avoid a Rorqual becoming a space prison cell when at present it can be parked in a SMA waiting to be dusted off for the occasional mining op.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2016-05-25 16:10:15 UTC
Iowa Banshee wrote:

EDIT - Many small corps will struggle to defend a mediums vulnerability window how can they be expected to defend a large just to avoid a Rorqual becoming a space prison cell when at present it can be parked in a SMA waiting to be dusted off for the occasional mining op.


There are so many things wrong with that statement...
Iowa Banshee
Fenrir Vangard
#10 - 2016-05-25 16:52:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Iowa Banshee
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Iowa Banshee wrote:

EDIT - Many small corps will struggle to defend a mediums vulnerability window how can they be expected to defend a large just to avoid a Rorqual becoming a space prison cell when at present it can be parked in a SMA waiting to be dusted off for the occasional mining op.


There are so many things wrong with that statement...



...from your point of view

but thanks for your input - its always nice to see people who play the game their way pointing out how the way others play Eve is wrong.
Gosti Kahanid
Red Sky Morning
The Amarr Militia.
#11 - 2016-05-28 22:53:16 UTC
I think there should be an station-service for medium citadels which will give the citadel the ability to dock a limited amount of capitals, kinda like the XL-MA, maybe that you can even see on the outside.
With this you have to pay fuel just to be able to store your capitals, and you can´t store an infinite amount of capitals like you can with the large citadel
NoobMan
Perkone
Caldari State
#12 - 2016-05-30 12:11:47 UTC
I'll take a guess of why CCP will never do this.

Art.

Doesn't have a capital undocking bay.

Operations Director of Hard K(n)ocks Inc.
Paul Vashar
CTHS
#13 - 2016-05-30 19:14:00 UTC
NoobMan wrote:
I'll take a guess of why CCP will never do this.

Art.

Doesn't have a capital undocking bay.

I hear that somebody does however Blink
Iowa Banshee
Fenrir Vangard
#14 - 2016-05-31 14:16:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Iowa Banshee
NoobMan wrote:
I'll take a guess of why CCP will never do this.

Art.

Doesn't have a capital undocking bay.


If it's about the art - no docking - but the Citadels still have the original mooring docks as show in the concept sketches

Can we have the ability to MOOR a couple of ships - because of Art
and maybe because nearly every ship model in the game has the ability to accept extra items added to them its something that is
possible.
Hatshepsut IV
Un.Reasonable
#15 - 2016-05-31 16:29:06 UTC
Adapt or die.

Or unpoor and dock. Its not that hard really. If you cant afford to put up/fit/protect a fort then you certainty can't afford to do all those things properly for that c2 ratting thanny your so worried about.

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Andrew Jester
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#16 - 2016-05-31 18:58:08 UTC
lol get nerfed shonen

If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
Iowa Banshee
Fenrir Vangard
#17 - 2016-05-31 20:56:32 UTC
Hatshepsut IV wrote:
Adapt or die.

Or unpoor and dock. Its not that hard really. If you cant afford to put up/fit/protect a fort then you certainty can't afford to do all those things properly for that c2 ratting thanny your so worried about.


You misunderstand:
I was not talking about the large citadel designed to be used by "large corps" & "mulit-player alliances".

I was talking the medium "Solo" "Small corp" version of the Citadels - You know - the one CCP were talking about during the citadel round table when they said "We have not forgotten about you solo players and small groups, EVERYTHING you can do in a POS you will be able to do in the new structures"

Hatshepsut IV
Un.Reasonable
#18 - 2016-05-31 21:01:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Hatshepsut IV
Iowa Banshee wrote:


You misunderstand:




No I did not.

Allow me to be EXPLICTLY clear.

If you want to dock caps HTFU open the wallet and put a fortizar down. If you can not do this due to whatever made up reason, then you likely have no business A owning caps in that hole and B couldn't likely do anything to protect them.

Also no ones stopping you from having them safe logged with sitter characters ect ect.

I'm poor/small corp/new ect is not a valid reason to ask special allowances.

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Iowa Banshee
Fenrir Vangard
#19 - 2016-05-31 21:39:39 UTC
Hatshepsut IV wrote:
Iowa Banshee wrote:


You misunderstand:




No I did not.

Allow me to be EXPLICTLY clear.

If you want to dock caps HTFU open the wallet and put a fortizar down. If you can not do this due to whatever made up reason, then you likely have no business A owning caps in that hole and B couldn't likely do anything to protect them.

Also no ones stopping you from having them safe logged with sitter characters ect ect.

I'm poor/small corp/new ect is not a valid reason to ask special allowances.


"Explicitly" is spelt with an "i" and the text editor has a spell checker
Hatshepsut IV
Un.Reasonable
#20 - 2016-05-31 22:49:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Hatshepsut IV
Iowa Banshee wrote:
"Explicitly" is spelt with an "i" and the text editor has a spell checker



So you concede the point?

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