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Revisit Capital Remote Reps
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Marcus Tedric
Zebra Corp
Goonswarm Federation
#1 - 2016-05-28 22:16:40 UTC
Dear CCP - I quite understand the 'nerf' to Capital Remote Reps...

But when they've been nerfed to being worse than Large Reps - which don't require the fitting nor cap requirements - then I think you've made rather an error.

A suggestion to revisit this - soon.

Don't soil your panties, you guys made a good point, we'll look at the numbers again. - CCP Ytterbium
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#2 - 2016-05-29 00:00:01 UTC
~triage~
Lugh Crow-Slave
#3 - 2016-05-29 01:13:01 UTC
Shhhhhh no one tell him that capital guns are also worse than large outside of siege he may have a break down.


What bugs me about the change is the major nerf to capital logistics in triage that wad not nesisary

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Marcus Tedric
Zebra Corp
Goonswarm Federation
#4 - 2016-05-29 22:07:00 UTC
I somewhat think both of you have missed the point...

Don't soil your panties, you guys made a good point, we'll look at the numbers again. - CCP Ytterbium
Anthar Thebess
#5 - 2016-05-30 08:11:05 UTC
Marcus Tedric wrote:
I somewhat think both of you have missed the point...

Trust me now it is ok.
What are we missing are carriers immune to reps (similar to siege/triage) while using Networked Sensor Array.

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Lugh Crow-Slave
#6 - 2016-05-30 08:15:39 UTC
Anthar Thebess wrote:
Marcus Tedric wrote:
I somewhat think both of you have missed the point...

Trust me now it is ok.
What are we missing are carriers immune to reps (similar to siege/triage) while using Networked Sensor Array.



....


but they need reps they can't local tank. if you are having issues breaking their tank kill the fighters ccp manage to make it so that the tanker carriers have less fighters

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Anthar Thebess
#7 - 2016-05-30 10:25:10 UTC
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
Anthar Thebess wrote:
Marcus Tedric wrote:
I somewhat think both of you have missed the point...

Trust me now it is ok.
What are we missing are carriers immune to reps (similar to siege/triage) while using Networked Sensor Array.



....


but they need reps they can't local tank. if you are having issues breaking their tank kill the fighters ccp manage to make it so that the tanker carriers have less fighters


Why kill fighters when you can simply jamm them.
Get a falcon, rook, blackbird or scorpion.
Fit jams and keep fighters perma jammed while you kill a carrier or kill fighters as they cannot shoot back.

Stop discrimination, help in a fight against terrorists

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Marcus Tedric
Zebra Corp
Goonswarm Federation
#8 - 2016-05-30 14:47:03 UTC
Best spell it out then.....

Large Remote Armor Repairer I - 392 HP - every 6s - Cost 330 GJ - Range 12 km (so that's 784 HP every 12s for 660 GJ)

Capital Remote Armor Repairer I - 730 HP - every 12s - Cost 1770 GJ - Range 15km

Now, it might be that I'm being a bit dense - and that could be true.....Big smile

But it would seem to me that there is no case, apart from the need for extra range, where fitting Capital-sized equivalents makes sense now.

So, whether on an unbonused Cap ship, or a proper FAux in Triage - and apart from range - the Large is better. Then take into account the massive difference in fitting requirements and cap - then the reason to reduce/nerf the Capital modules has been taken too far; especially when the fitted ship can then so much more survivability (in terms of plates/extenders and cap).

It would seem, unless indeed I have it wrong somehow, that the Capital Modules have been nerfed so far as to make them nearly worthless. And yes, the Shield ones seem the same.

(PS - the NSA is not a 'siege module'; it only lasts a minute - and is really not a problem)

Don't soil your panties, you guys made a good point, we'll look at the numbers again. - CCP Ytterbium
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#9 - 2016-05-30 16:38:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Danika Princip
let's see. 5% per level cycle time bonus from every level of minmatar carrier, and another 75% cycle time bonus, and a 400% amount bonus, and a 200% range bonus, all exclusive to capital modules...

Gives me, on an all V character, using a lif with T1 triage and T1 meta 0 remote reps, 86.7 shield per second with a large rep..

And with a meta 0 capital remote rep, 1600 per second.



Now, it might be that I'm being a bit dense, but it seems to me that capital reps in triage are indeed better than large reps by quite a large margin?
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#10 - 2016-05-30 16:39:55 UTC
Compare them in Triage mode...

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Marcus Tedric
Zebra Corp
Goonswarm Federation
#11 - 2016-05-30 18:41:28 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
let's see. 5% per level cycle time bonus from every level of minmatar carrier, and another 75% cycle time bonus, and a 400% amount bonus, and a 200% range bonus, all exclusive to capital modules...

Gives me, on an all V character, using a lif with T1 triage and T1 meta 0 remote reps, 86.7 shield per second with a large rep..

And with a meta 0 capital remote rep, 1600 per second.



Now, it might be that I'm being a bit dense, but it seems to me that capital reps in triage are indeed better than large reps by quite a large margin?

Don't soil your panties, you guys made a good point, we'll look at the numbers again. - CCP Ytterbium
Marcus Tedric
Zebra Corp
Goonswarm Federation
#12 - 2016-05-30 18:43:31 UTC
Damn bloomin' Forums - that wasn't my reply!!!!!!!! Shocked

No more typing - still think the numbers look odd.

Thanks guys - modules and ships don't show any limits.

Carriers & Supers can still fit with little consequence.

Don't soil your panties, you guys made a good point, we'll look at the numbers again. - CCP Ytterbium
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#13 - 2016-05-30 18:52:05 UTC
Marcus Tedric wrote:
Damn bloomin' Forums - that wasn't my reply!!!!!!!! Shocked

No more typing - still think the numbers look odd.

Thanks guys - modules and ships don't show any limits.

Carriers & Supers can still fit with little consequence.


Carriers and supers aren't meant to be repping ships so how the numbers look on them is irrelevant unless it cause adverse effect in the game. It does not right now so it can stay as it currently is.
darkneko
Come And Get Your Love
#14 - 2016-05-30 23:00:41 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
let's see. 5% per level cycle time bonus from every level of minmatar carrier, and another 75% cycle time bonus, and a 400% amount bonus, and a 200% range bonus, all exclusive to capital modules...

Gives me, on an all V character, using a lif with T1 triage and T1 meta 0 remote reps, 86.7 shield per second with a large rep..

And with a meta 0 capital remote rep, 1600 per second.



Now, it might be that I'm being a bit dense, but it seems to me that capital reps in triage are indeed better than large reps by quite a large margin?


Was triage not removed from carriers with the new logistics capital ships?
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#15 - 2016-05-31 00:14:40 UTC
So I wanted to join this mining op the other night but those mining lasers only have so little yields compared to strip miners. Was the Thorax the right ship to compare it to an exhumer?

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Lugh Crow-Slave
#16 - 2016-05-31 03:50:36 UTC
Marcus Tedric wrote:
Best spell it out then.....

Large Remote Armor Repairer I - 392 HP - every 6s - Cost 330 GJ - Range 12 km (so that's 784 HP every 12s for 660 GJ)

Capital Remote Armor Repairer I - 730 HP - every 12s - Cost 1770 GJ - Range 15km

Now, it might be that I'm being a bit dense - and that could be true.....Big smile

But it would seem to me that there is no case, apart from the need for extra range, where fitting Capital-sized equivalents makes sense now.

So, whether on an unbonused Cap ship, or a proper FAux in Triage - and apart from range - the Large is better. Then take into account the massive difference in fitting requirements and cap - then the reason to reduce/nerf the Capital modules has been taken too far; especially when the fitted ship can then so much more survivability (in terms of plates/extenders and cap).

It would seem, unless indeed I have it wrong somehow, that the Capital Modules have been nerfed so far as to make them nearly worthless. And yes, the Shield ones seem the same.

(PS - the NSA is not a 'siege module'; it only lasts a minute - and is really not a problem)



OMG IKR i can only get like 300dps in my moros outside of siege ccp what do you have against capitals?.

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#17 - 2016-05-31 04:11:44 UTC
darkneko wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
let's see. 5% per level cycle time bonus from every level of minmatar carrier, and another 75% cycle time bonus, and a 400% amount bonus, and a 200% range bonus, all exclusive to capital modules...

Gives me, on an all V character, using a lif with T1 triage and T1 meta 0 remote reps, 86.7 shield per second with a large rep..

And with a meta 0 capital remote rep, 1600 per second.



Now, it might be that I'm being a bit dense, but it seems to me that capital reps in triage are indeed better than large reps by quite a large margin?


Was triage not removed from carriers with the new logistics capital ships?


Yes it was because carrier are no longer meant to be logistic platform.