Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Because it's more fun that way!

You know? Fun? That emotion you used to get when you weren't going around trolling people on boards and ganking helpless newbies for lulz because you've turned into bitter and pathetic human beings?

Nevermind the likes because you two are obviously in denial about that, but the facts are that any of your proposals that already exist take hours and hours of ISK grinding and skill training, my proposal lets anyone at the very least get a fair chance of running away from people like you who are out to ruin their gaming experience.

Don't you lot want PvP to happen more and 0.0 space or lowsec to be more active?

we already have Warp Core Stabillizers.

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Yeah, it's great fun when the invulnerable cyno ship that flew through your camp drops fifty titans on your CSAA pos. or when that bomber that flew past you ganks your miners, that viator drops fifty bubbles around your gates for giggles, or that lone titan you caught AFK at a pos and bumped out can just push button on this module and jump out, despite multiple bubbles/scripted HICs.

It's great fun when that enemy cap fleet RFing your pos hit their modules and jump out too, despite your tackles, or when you finally probe out that pesky tengu, point him and he warps out regardless. It'll be amazing when in literally any fight ever, the losing side simply kicks in these modules, warps out and runs off home instead of dying .

Less fights would be the product of this module. Less fights means less fun. I don't know if you've ever actually been to 0.0, I assume not from your posting, but maybe you should try it?

It would be actually! Think of all the combat going on! Alliances would actually have to defend themselves rather than just get to instantly gank anyone through chokepoints! *gasp*

What combat? I shoot you, you activate this module and run away, regardless of tackle/bubbles/etc. Where is the fun in that? I suppose it makes alpha ships even more powerful, at the expense of everything else, but that's still not fun.

And Mars, there is a more viable alternative. It's called a warp core stabiliser. Or a scout. Or a cloak/mwd. Or a covops cloak. Or an interdiction nullifier. Or ECM drones.

The ecm drones are too specialised, expensive, take lots of training, the warp core stablisers aren't guranteed to work and take out your targeting, MWDs are too slow against large fleets and get pricey if you get blown up a couple of times, cloaks are too specialised, too pricey and take too long for a newbie to train, ecm bursts aren't guaranteed to work and scouting is only good for verbally mocking gate campers, they won't enable you to live in 0.0 or low sec space properly.

There are number of problems with these options you suggest and you know it and making it so that anyone can use the module is not 'abuse' it's called balanced because if everyone can use it when they please then that means no one has an advantage, that's what balancing is, it's making things equal.

ECM drones do not take a lot of training, same with T1 cloaks. Scouts won't let you live in low sec?! I live in low sec. I also go plexing in null sec, and I use nothing but the tactics listed above. Scouting is invaluable, if you think otherwise it probably explains why you die so much.

MWDs are too slow against large fleets? No, no they're not. Sometimes a fleet with a lachesis or other long scram will shut it down, that's one of the reasons ninja-plexing fits generally have dual props. But no, they are not "too slow", unless you're flying a rifter. In which case you deserve to die to a big fleet you just stupidly ran in to.

These are all valid tactics, when combined with experience they make you pretty much unkillable to all but the best camps. And yes, you will still die sometimes, that's part of the game.

No, they do not "suck". You want to get a ship a few jumps into low sec? Fit WCS, you'll probably be fine, then refit in station and go do that site you wanted. Alternatively, use the MWD+Cloak trick and scout as well, now it's really unlikely anyone will catch you.


Without a fleet, your alt is the scout. That will save you a lot of hassle. Don't have an alt? You'll die a little more often, live with it.


I take it you don't know the MWD trick. Well, I'm not going to teach it to you. Try learning how to play, or read the link I posted before. Also, I can run an 8/10 in a dual prop fit with a T1 cloak on it, so no it doesn't gimp your fit.

It's useful for your scout, or for moving things about. You know, like in the covert ops haulers that are designed for this kind of thing.

If you're scouting in a T3, you're doing it wrong.

Also: FRIGGIN ECM DRONES. They are absolutely awesome, and if you cba to learn to use them when they're needed you deserve to die.

Well in this case, because if you tweak this mod to be balanced you end up with....A warp core stabilizer, or something very much like an ECM mod. Already got 'em, don't really need another.



Used wisely these can in fact work rather well. They certainly have drawbacks, but then those drawbacks are intended for a reason. I've missed out on kills before due to my target fitting a single WCS, I doubt I'm the only one either.



Drones work, ECM mods also work. They are not a certainty, but neither should they be. A single jam cycle on a tackler can be all you need to get out. And they''re not that expensive.

Null-sec can be very dangerous for a solo pilot, then again it's supposed to be. Want to go mixing it up in someone's sov space? Then you better have steady nerves and good insurance.

One other thing..One of the biggest complaints regarding the "old-school" nano-ships was how easily they could cut and run, a half decent vaga pilot was extremely hard to catch or kill, even when (s)he initiated combat deliberately. Nano's may of been nerfed, but it would seem the OP wants to give that ability to practically every ship, even those that would normally have to fully commit to any fight. No thanks, despite what the OP may think this would most likely kill solo/ small gang PvP. After all what would be the point of roaming day in, day out, just to have every target you find warp out with impunity?

It would be the Age of the Alpha fleet, and nothing else.