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How to fix the skillpoint inflation problem: Dailies and podding
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#21 - 2016-05-27 12:30:06 UTC
Narrisse Chelien wrote:
Killing other players for sp would just have folks podding alts. It is not in the spirit of this system.


The "system" is shooting a single rat. It's absolutely in the spirit of the system.

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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#22 - 2016-05-27 12:41:17 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Narrisse Chelien wrote:
Killing other players for sp would just have folks podding alts. It is not in the spirit of this system.


The "system" is shooting a single rat. It's absolutely in the spirit of the system.


I kind of wonder how many newbie would get hooked to paying 30 a month if we were to tell them truthfully that the best way to get those SP, especially for a fresh newbie who isn't too versed in the art of PvP yet, is to get a second account from day 1. As opposed to that, how many would just say **** this ****, I'm not sinking money into a game that tells me I need a second account from day 1.
Max Fubarticus
K Diamond Holding LTD.
Bullets Bombs and Blondes
#23 - 2016-05-27 13:19:08 UTC
Tisiphone Dira wrote:
There are so few true -10ers in the world (http://eveboard.com/fullranks/50-lowest-security-status) it's just not worth giving up our highly coveted status as the elite of the elite for a few measly skillpoints each day. Thanks but no thanks, you'd have done better to make it interactions with players rather than rats. With that in mind I have come up with a way to undo the damage being done by dailies, while at the same time showing your commitment to not being a sheep, instead being one of the elite wolves.

Kill every t3 you find.

When you die in a T3 you lose 1 rank the subsystem highest skill (people usually have them at V, but I've found people running round with it all at lvl I before). Let's assume it's a V skill for now. All the subsystem skills are rank 1, so that's 210k sp to get from rank IV to V.

If you commit to killing 1 t3 cruiser every 21 days (per account), you'll be doing your part to fight skillpoint inflation, having destroyed 21 days worth of SP from dailies. If you kill more, you'll be doing the economy a favour and making your own sp even more valuable.

If you don't hunt t3's (also accepting skillpoint injector kills where the loot fairy takes the injector) then you have no right to complain.




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Isaac Armer
The Soup Kitchen
#24 - 2016-05-27 13:52:16 UTC
Aaron Honk wrote:
Just give the reward to every 10m+ ISK kill, once a day like for the rat. Killing a rat is not engaging in any way


It's about as engaging as killing an AFK mining or industrial ship
Yochi Miyatsuda
Doomheim
#25 - 2016-05-27 13:57:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Yochi Miyatsuda
Tisiphone Dira wrote:
blah, blah, blah...showing your commitment to not being a sheep, instead being one of the elite wolves...*brofist*


I bet New Order Logistics is a real circle-jerk isn't it?
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#26 - 2016-05-27 14:06:47 UTC
Tisiphone Dira wrote:
There are so few true -10ers in the world (http://eveboard.com/fullranks/50-lowest-security-status) it's just not worth giving up our highly coveted status as the elite of the elite for a few measly skillpoints each day. Thanks but no thanks, you'd have done better to make it interactions with players rather than rats. With that in mind I have come up with a way to undo the damage being done by dailies, while at the same time showing your commitment to not being a sheep, instead being one of the elite wolves.

Kill every t3 you find.

When you die in a T3 you lose 1 rank the subsystem highest skill (people usually have them at V, but I've found people running round with it all at lvl I before). Let's assume it's a V skill for now. All the subsystem skills are rank 1, so that's 210k sp to get from rank IV to V.

If you commit to killing 1 t3 cruiser every 21 days (per account), you'll be doing your part to fight skillpoint inflation, having destroyed 21 days worth of SP from dailies. If you kill more, you'll be doing the economy a favour and making your own sp even more valuable.

If you don't hunt t3's (also accepting skillpoint injector kills where the loot fairy takes the injector) then you have no right to complain.


Why did SP inflation become a problem now but wasn't before? Each day, even if every single account get their daily done, more SP is created out of thin air adding to the already large pool of total SP in the game by regular passive training than by the opportunity payout. Why didn't people cry about inflation back then?
Roenok Baalnorn
Baalnorn Heavy Industries
#27 - 2016-05-27 14:07:57 UTC
OP, this is a very interesting experiment you are doing and i have to say the results are rather surprising.

I endorse all the endorsements in this thread.
Narrisse Chelien
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2016-05-27 14:52:21 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Narrisse Chelien wrote:
Killing other players for sp would just have folks podding alts. It is not in the spirit of this system.


The "system" is shooting a single rat. It's absolutely in the spirit of the system.



no its not, and i expected an eve player to be less daft

the point of the system is to get people undocked, playing in space and giving them perhaps a reason - since they have already logged on and undocked - of doing something else and contributing to the game at large.

an abuseable system that station-trading or pure inudstrialists would have no real chance of completing wihtout someone rolling over and saying 'pod me pls' or abusing an alt is NOT going to work.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2016-05-27 15:02:23 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Narrisse Chelien wrote:
Killing other players for sp would just have folks podding alts. It is not in the spirit of this system.


The "system" is shooting a single rat. It's absolutely in the spirit of the system.


I kind of wonder how many newbie would get hooked to paying 30 a month if we were to tell them truthfully that the best way to get those SP, especially for a fresh newbie who isn't too versed in the art of PvP yet, is to get a second account from day 1. As opposed to that, how many would just say **** this ****, I'm not sinking money into a game that tells me I need a second account from day 1.

You don't need to get seconds account. You just can group with other new player and kill each other for both of you get this bonus. A little more effort than simple killing a rat but gives better results right from day 1.

Even better if CCP won't limit ship classes for this bonus. So these new players could kill their newbee ships and lose literally nothing.

Caveat of this system would be that killboards will just die: they will have thousands kills per day more than usual.

But overall this would be better than killing a rat.

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Gwenaelle de Ardevon
Ardevon Corporation
#30 - 2016-05-27 15:23:23 UTC
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Hahnide Kragomn
Iota Piscium
#31 - 2016-05-27 15:27:21 UTC
I wonder, would killing an empire NPC such as a water hauling freighter or gate customs agent trigger the SP bonus?
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#32 - 2016-05-27 17:38:41 UTC
I service product this or/and support.

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Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#33 - 2016-05-27 18:57:16 UTC
Agreed that killing belt rats and farming your alt contain comparable levels of lameness.

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Demolishar
United Aggression
#34 - 2016-05-27 19:11:26 UTC
Remove all passive skill training and increase dailies to allow 2M SP per month.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#35 - 2016-05-27 19:32:12 UTC
You know this could end up being a gateway to having to actually do the things you skill for in order to build SP for it.

If you wanted to get say Frigates Level 5, you had to actually had to fly frigates.

Would that be in the spirit of the system?

The system has always been against "he who has most time to play, wins".

And we all know that translates to "He who has the least life, wins" or that old question brought to us by Parker and Stone "How do you kill that which has no life?"


Let the Sword of Truth swing wide...




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Vol Arm'OOO
Central Co-Prosperity Union
#36 - 2016-05-27 20:02:41 UTC
Tisiphone Dira wrote:
There are so few true -10ers in the world (http://eveboard.com/fullranks/50-lowest-security-status) it's just not worth giving up our highly coveted status as the elite of the elite for a few measly skillpoints each day. Thanks but no thanks, you'd have done better to make it interactions with players rather than rats. With that in mind I have come up with a way to undo the damage being done by dailies, while at the same time showing your commitment to not being a sheep, instead being one of the elite wolves.

Kill every t3 you find.

When you die in a T3 you lose 1 rank the subsystem highest skill (people usually have them at V, but I've found people running round with it all at lvl I before). Let's assume it's a V skill for now. All the subsystem skills are rank 1, so that's 210k sp to get from rank IV to V.

If you commit to killing 1 t3 cruiser every 21 days (per account), you'll be doing your part to fight skillpoint inflation, having destroyed 21 days worth of SP from dailies. If you kill more, you'll be doing the economy a favour and making your own sp even more valuable.

If you don't hunt t3's (also accepting skillpoint injector kills where the loot fairy takes the injector) then you have no right to complain.


Just for the record that doesnt seem to be a real list of all the folk who are minus 10. None of my alliancemates are on it and we are all -10 or close to it. As for myself, i'm -.99 - I just cant seem to get over that last little bit no matter how many people I shoot in the face.

I don't play, I just fourm warrior.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#37 - 2016-05-27 20:27:40 UTC
Narrisse Chelien wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Narrisse Chelien wrote:
Killing other players for sp would just have folks podding alts. It is not in the spirit of this system.


The "system" is shooting a single rat. It's absolutely in the spirit of the system.



no its not, and i expected an eve player to be less daft

the point of the system is to get people undocked, playing in space and giving them perhaps a reason - since they have already logged on and undocked - of doing something else and contributing to the game at large.

an abuseable system that station-trading or pure inudstrialists would have no real chance of completing wihtout someone rolling over and saying 'pod me pls' or abusing an alt is NOT going to work.


How does that apply to shooting an alt but not a wet-paper-tanked belt rat?


I mean at least shooting an alt gives an aggro timer.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Sasha Nemtsov
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2016-05-27 20:27:47 UTC
Memphis Baas wrote:
Go ahead and kill your T3 quota so you retain your "right to complain", but FFS complain somewhere else.


Hey, It's Tisi's thread. You are the visitor.

Goodness. Trying to throw poor Tisi out of her own house; whatever next....?

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Sasha Nemtsov
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2016-05-27 20:28:36 UTC
Memphis Baas wrote:
Go ahead and kill your T3 quota so you retain your "right to complain", but FFS complain somewhere else.


Hey, It's Tisi's thread. You are the visitor.

Goodness. Trying to throw poor Tisi out of her own house; whatever next....?

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#40 - 2016-05-27 20:29:31 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
You know this could end up being a gateway to having to actually do the things you skill for in order to build SP for it.


Yes, that's what I'm worried about.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016